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[PeterDM]

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@SaRina wrote:

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@PeterDM wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@MaggieMack wrote:

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@colliegirls wrote:

Obviously, there are some posters who mistakenly believe they know everything and must have the last word.  

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@colliegirls, you are so right! I usually let them have the last word, not important to me after I have spoken my mind, something I learned a long, long time ago. Last Worders have needs I don't have anymore.

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Well said ladies I have to keep that in mind! Not trying to have the last word here just wanted to agree with 2 smart women!!   

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When you criticize people for wanting to have the last word, you are actually implying that you feel that you should be the one to have it.  That sounds like self-loathing to me.  That's not smart.  That's embarassing.

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This is not true.  It means that when another poster says something you disagree with, but you have already stated your opinion, and especially if you have already interacted with that poster with your opinion, you stop...think twice.... and walk away.

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@SaRina I'm open to continuing a discussion until all points have been made clear.  I don't assume that people have one exchange, and a discussion is concluded with all points being made.  I would never use accuse someone of having to have the final word, because that could mean I was shutting the door to the other person's ideas.  

[151949]

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@PeterDM wrote:

As I stated in another thread, a major issue here is that many don't understand the different between an opinion and an assumption.  Opinions are formed through understanding details of a situation while assumptions are just guesses based on hearsay.  Those who state their opinions well generally give a little background as to how they formed them, while others mask their assumpitons as opinions and usually pay the price by getting unkind responses.  So, if you find yourself getting attacked for an "opinion," you should probably make sure you are, indeed, stating an opinion and not making an assumption.  It's okay to not respond to every post, particularly if you're not familiar with the subject matter.  Sometimes it's okay just to read and learn from others.  

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You make an incorrect assumption that people base their OPINION on facts and that is far from necessarily true. An opinion is what someone thinks, not necessarily based on any actual facts at all. There are many incorrect opinions out there. And that is my opinion.

[shoekitty]

OPINION

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:

"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance" ·

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"that, in my opinion, is dead right"

synonyms: as I see it · to my mind ·

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[IamMrsG]

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@151949 wrote:

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@PeterDM wrote:

As I stated in another thread, a major issue here is that many don't understand the different between an opinion and an assumption.  Opinions are formed through understanding details of a situation while assumptions are just guesses based on hearsay.  Those who state their opinions well generally give a little background as to how they formed them, while others mask their assumpitons as opinions and usually pay the price by getting unkind responses.  So, if you find yourself getting attacked for an "opinion," you should probably make sure you are, indeed, stating an opinion and not making an assumption.  It's okay to not respond to every post, particularly if you're not familiar with the subject matter.  Sometimes it's okay just to read and learn from others.  

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You make an incorrect assumption that people base their OPINION on facts and that is far from necessarily true. An opinion is what someone thinks, not necessarily based on any actual facts at all. There are many incorrect opinions out there. And that is my opinion.

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I'd like to inject my 2¢ on this.  I don't think it's a matter of opinion vs. assumption.  To me, the problem arises when posters present themselves as being indisputable.  

For example, there was a post not too long ago that said Bill Cosby had hired 700 attorneys.  Posters were "coming out of the woodwork" to comment on the audacity of it.  

Gloria Allred did make the comment, but I replied to explain Ms Allred's quote was a lawyer's hyperbole, not to be taken literally.  The truth was he had not hired 700 individuals, but had switched to a much larger law firm.

The poster accused me of attacking her and insisted she deals in facts and that the attorney did indeed say it.  The ultimate fact was the poster misconstrued not only Ms. Allred's quote, but my point as well, thereby making the conversation useless to continue.  

[Suhse]

It's not hard to spot unkind!

[PeterDM]

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@151949 wrote:

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@PeterDM wrote:

As I stated in another thread, a major issue here is that many don't understand the different between an opinion and an assumption.  Opinions are formed through understanding details of a situation while assumptions are just guesses based on hearsay.  Those who state their opinions well generally give a little background as to how they formed them, while others mask their assumpitons as opinions and usually pay the price by getting unkind responses.  So, if you find yourself getting attacked for an "opinion," you should probably make sure you are, indeed, stating an opinion and not making an assumption.  It's okay to not respond to every post, particularly if you're not familiar with the subject matter.  Sometimes it's okay just to read and learn from others.  

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You make an incorrect assumption that people base their OPINION on facts and that is far from necessarily true. An opinion is what someone thinks, not necessarily based on any actual facts at all. There are many incorrect opinions out there. And that is my opinion.

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I half agree with you.  If you form an opinion based on an incorrect assumption, then yes, an opinion can be wrong.  If someone swears to you that the moon is made of cheese, and you tell someone else that you believe the moon is made of cheese, then yes, your opinion is wrong.  What I was talking about in my original post was how people who come here and say "the moon is made of cheese" tend to get negative responses.  So yeah, I supposed that's an opinion, but it's based on an assumption. 

[chickenbutt]

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151949 wrote:

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PeterDM wrote:

As I stated in another thread, a major issue here is that many don't understand the different between an opinion and an assumption.  Opinions are formed through understanding details of a situation while assumptions are just guesses based on hearsay.  Those who state their opinions well generally give a little background as to how they formed them, while others mask their assumpitons as opinions and usually pay the price by getting unkind responses.  So, if you find yourself getting attacked for an "opinion," you should probably make sure you are, indeed, stating an opinion and not making an assumption.  It's okay to not respond to every post, particularly if you're not familiar with the subject matter.  Sometimes it's okay just to read and learn from others.  

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You make an incorrect assumption that people base their OPINION on facts and that is far from necessarily true. An opinion is what someone thinks, not necessarily based on any actual facts at all. There are many incorrect opinions out there. And that is my opinion.

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I would  submit that the absence of facts is EXACTLY what makes it an assumption.  

[goldensrbest]

I have seen comments to people ,that are posting that they have a problem,and people make remarks to the poster ,that are un- called for.

[italia8140]

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@PeterDM wrote:

As I stated in another thread, a major issue here is that many don't understand the different between an opinion and an assumption.  Opinions are formed through understanding details of a situation while assumptions are just guesses based on hearsay.  Those who state their opinions well generally give a little background as to how they formed them, while others mask their assumpitons as opinions and usually pay the price by getting unkind responses.  So, if you find yourself getting attacked for an "opinion," you should probably make sure you are, indeed, stating an opinion and not making an assumption.  It's okay to not respond to every post, particularly if you're not familiar with the subject matter.  Sometimes it's okay just to read and learn from others.  

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You do realize this is your assumption of what people are doing masked as your opinion and a bit condescending as well. Since you have no way of knowing for sure what people are thinking or how much they know.

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EXCELLENT POST. YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.

[muttmom]

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@abbeythe 8th wrote:

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@colliegirls wrote:

Obviously, there are some posters who mistakenly believe they know everything and must have the last word.  

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It does not matter whether the topic is political, religious or about your favorite flavor ice cream, some posters think they know everything about everything.