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[Noel7]

@Moonchilde

livescience is a great reference, thanks for their report!

Re: "Put a little cheese or sauce on it."  My daughter loves broccoli and urged me to try it by dipping it into a sauce that's popular with her Chinese-American friends.  I loved it and I can get down several heads.  I try because I know how good broccoli is for us.

Very popular among Asians (there are numerous recipes for it online) it's a quick mix of just mayo (I use light mayo) and a little soy sauce.  For the more adventurous it's mayo, a little soy sauce and a little wasabi powder.

[Noel7]

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

I had an old fashioned strict father who would tell me to eat what was put in front of me.  Sometimes I just could not do it.  He liked tripe, it made me want to hurl.

I swore I wouldn't do that to my child.  She didn't like milk but I worried she might be missing important nutrients, at least that's what we were all told.  Then she flat out refused it and I didn't push it.

We found out later she's lactose intolerant, it makes her really sick.

IMO it's worth paying attention to finiky kids, their little bodies might be trying to tell you something.

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That is a different situation than what I was talking about.

No one forced me to eat what was served.  No one forced me to eat anything.  And my mother wouldn't put liver and onions in front of us kids just because my father liked it (he drove us all out of the house when he cooked it hahahaha).  We just didn't get a menu to choose from.  And we didn't get to eat cupcakes because we didn't want to eat the broccoli.

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@QueenDanceALot

Sorry, I didn't see your post, I was responding to @Trinity11 's post/comments on the subject.

[Noel7]

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

I saw a report this morning which said the veg kids eat most often in the first year of their life is french fries.

Now that's just sad.

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That is sad.

Sort of along the same lines (although potatoes are a vegetable) is my remembrance of when I first moved to KY and on the menu at a popular place, listed under "Vegetables" was Macaroni and Cheese. 

Yes, the Macaroni and Cheese plant.

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I checked and saw this post from you @QueenDanceALot

I had that same experience in the South.  We used to have a southern poster on here who didn't understand why the rest of us didn't see mac & cheese as a veg.  I never understood why she did.

[Moonchilde]

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

And there are the scientific discoveries that prove that kids don't always say they don't like something just to be annoying. The "bitterness gene" was discovered several years ago. It's real.

http://www.livescience.com/39578-why-some-hate-broccoli.html

They use broccoli as the main example, but it's true of any less-sweet, slightly bitter vegetable.

Forcing a child to eat something they truly hate the taste of doesn't do anything but show the child you're a bully. Nice lesson.

Give them a different vegetable they don't hate. Put a little cheese or sauce on it. Attempt to work with the child. It should be about exposing the child to as many foods as they are able to tolerate while providing decent, not always perfect, nutrition.

It should not be about "You'll eat what I tell you to eat or starve." That serves the parent and their need to control. It certainly doesn't demonstrate love for the child. Children remember the battles, and the control. And the more control, i.e. bullying, the child experienced, the less likely they are as adults to ever eat what they were literally emotionally "forced" to eat.

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Serving kids "sweet" so they'll eat something isn't going to serve them well as they grow. 

I wasn't bullied at the dinner table.  I just grew up eating nutritious food.  That's the point I was trying to make.  I know a few mothers who let their kids eat cookies and gummy bears because they won't eat anything else, saying "oh, they'll grow out of it".

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Not sure why you feel the need to make this All About You. Quite a few posters have commented that they were expected to eat what was put in front of them like it or not, with various "methods" or threats to insure that they did. It's the way most of us past 60 were raised. Just because we lived through it doesn't make it a great idea.

My post didn't even mention serving sweet foods to children instead of nutritious food - that's your interpretation, of ?

A commentary is just a commentary. 

[sidsmom]

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KittyLouWhoToo wrote

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When I was growing up (oh, no, I don't want to sound like the "when I was a kid" thing hahahaha BUT) my mother fed us what we used to call "3 squares" (I think we got that from the Army).  We, as kids, didn't get to eat Oreos and Coke for breakfast (because they "taste good") or pizza and Coke for lunch (YUM!) or fast food for dinner (oh, who has time to cook?).  We ate the simple food my mother prepared.  And it was real food.  If we didn't want it, we didn't eat.  The end.  Yes, I do believe that my eating habits were established (or, at the very least, strongly influenced) by how I grew up.

I hear so many stories these days about finicky kids, how they eat ****** for breakfast, lunch, and dinner because they "won't eat" anything else.  Well, if you get hungry enough you'll eat "anything else".

Yes, some of it is decidedly parents who just give in to get along.  I know this won't be a popular viewpoint, but I believe it's true.

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@QueenDanceALot

ITA.

You hit the nail on the head.

"Simple food".

Salt. Oil. Sugar.  They stimulate the palette.  

Now add chemical flavorings, MSG, isolates, etc.  We're getting our children addicted to these things in infancy...and I'm sure some would say in utero.  

French fries.  There's no logical reason why a parent would feed their child a French fry.  It's obvious the parent created that taste.  Hand the child a boiled potato with s/p..plenty of calories, very nutritious, easy & cheap.

Finicky kids is another way of saying spoiled kids.  

And finicky kids grow up to be very spoiled adults who refuse to change their ways.   Modern day illnesses don't happen overnight. 

Women don't smoke while pregnant & baby seats are law....how is feeding your child cr.ap all day any different?  Just because you can see the inside of a vein doesn't mean there's damage caused by poor eating habits.

As for 'too busy'.....that just translates to being too lazy.

By all means let's get to the soccer game now & worry about little Johnny's T2 diabetes tomorrow.(sarcasm)

[Noel7]

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

@hckynut

Hi John

I think it's not knowing, a lack of information and the prevalence of fast food and no time to cook for many families.

It's too bad.  I don't know what the answer is.

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Noel, I read the report on Huffington Post and what they failed to introduce is the topic of children refusing to eat. Many parents introduce healthy foods and their child will just not eat. I had it with my children and my daughter has been very concerned about my grandson and whether he is getting the proper nutrients. Children often have a mind of their own and are pretty stubborn when it comes to what they will eat. The lowly french fry is often times all a parent can get a child to eat in a restaurant. Finicky eaters abound.... I don't put blame on the young parents of today. I think it is an age old problem.

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Hi @Trinity11

I never put the blame on young people and I didn't with this subject.

I stand by thinking most people don't know a lot about nutrition, and that's not age specific.

I know about finiky kids, we have them in our extended family.  As I said before, I don't know what the answer is.

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No, you didn't put the blame on young parents but the article implied that parents are not feeding their kids in a healthy manner. It did in fact lead to some comments...sids mom went so far as to say it was almost child abuse if a parent feeds their child under 1 a French fry.

I really believe that things haven't changed all that much in regards to nutrition. People in general eat foods that are appealing and nutrition takes a back seat. Then there are the various voices in the medical community with conflicting advice...the perfect recipe for indecisiveness in what really is a healthy diet. I think most do the best they can...

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@Trinity11

Gee, I really missed several posts.

I saw the comment about "child abuse" and just rolled my eyes.

I also think most people try their best, but a lot of information just isn't out there.  Also, like I said before, so many families of all ages just don't have the time to make good meals from scratch anymore.  Work hours and extracurricular activities take a lot of time.

When the subject came up a couple of years ago, many older people did not know that as we age, it's harder for our bodies to absorb vitamin D, even from milk or sunshine. 

[Noel7]

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@sidsmom wrote:

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KittyLouWhoToo wrote

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When I was growing up (oh, no, I don't want to sound like the "when I was a kid" thing hahahaha BUT) my mother fed us what we used to call "3 squares" (I think we got that from the Army).  We, as kids, didn't get to eat Oreos and Coke for breakfast (because they "taste good") or pizza and Coke for lunch (YUM!) or fast food for dinner (oh, who has time to cook?).  We ate the simple food my mother prepared.  And it was real food.  If we didn't want it, we didn't eat.  The end.  Yes, I do believe that my eating habits were established (or, at the very least, strongly influenced) by how I grew up.

I hear so many stories these days about finicky kids, how they eat ****** for breakfast, lunch, and dinner because they "won't eat" anything else.  Well, if you get hungry enough you'll eat "anything else".

Yes, some of it is decidedly parents who just give in to get along.  I know this won't be a popular viewpoint, but I believe it's true.

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@QueenDanceALot

ITA.

You hit the nail on the head.

"Simple food".

Salt. Oil. Sugar.  They stimulate the palette.  

Now add chemical flavorings, MSG, isolates, etc.  We're getting our children addicted to these things in infancy...and I'm sure some would say in utero.  

French fries.  There's no logical reason why a parent would feed their child a French fry.  It's obvious the parent created that taste.  Hand the child a boiled potato with s/p..plenty of calories, very nutritious, easy & cheap.

Finicky kids is another way of saying spoiled kids.  

And finicky kids grow up to be very spoiled adults who refuse to change their ways.   Modern day illnesses don't happen overnight. 

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@sidsmom

I am always amazed by how little you know about kids or anything medical.

Try reading the article @Moonchilde posted.  For many finicky kids it's about food allergies.

For mine, her refusal to drink milk when little turned out to be lactose intolerance, a problem that affects up to 70% of the world's children.

[Moonchilde]

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@Noel7 wrote:

@Moonchilde

livescience is a great reference, thanks for their report!

Re: "Put a little cheese or sauce on it."  My daughter loves broccoli and urged me to try it by dipping it into a sauce that's popular with her Chinese-American friends.  I loved it and I can get down several heads.  I try because I know how good broccoli is for us.

Very popular among Asians (there are numerous recipes for it online) it's a quick mix of just mayo (I use light mayo) and a little soy sauce.  For the more adventurous it's mayo, a little soy sauce and a little wasabi powder.

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@Noel7 that's what my mom did. When I was about 10-11 a wider variety of fresh veggies were introduced to our dinners - ones that I was not familiar with, that smelled "icky." Before that, most of my veggies had come from cans. You like what you're used to.

My mom hit on the idea of sprinkling them with parmesan cheese. It got me to taste them, and eat a few bites/small portion. And very gradually I just learned to accommodate them. Of course there are always 1-2 veggies we will hate forever, because we're all human & different. 

If we were having a not-favorite veggie with something sauce-y, it was natural to dip the veggie in something I knew I liked. It's like, whatever works 😉. No one rolled them in sugar - that would have been considered ridiculous even to me at 11, and I wouldn't have wanted to eat it either.

[Noel7]

Are the QVC boards REALLY slow today or is it my computer?

[QueenDanceALot]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

And there are the scientific discoveries that prove that kids don't always say they don't like something just to be annoying. The "bitterness gene" was discovered several years ago. It's real.

http://www.livescience.com/39578-why-some-hate-broccoli.html

They use broccoli as the main example, but it's true of any less-sweet, slightly bitter vegetable.

Forcing a child to eat something they truly hate the taste of doesn't do anything but show the child you're a bully. Nice lesson.

Give them a different vegetable they don't hate. Put a little cheese or sauce on it. Attempt to work with the child. It should be about exposing the child to as many foods as they are able to tolerate while providing decent, not always perfect, nutrition.

It should not be about "You'll eat what I tell you to eat or starve." That serves the parent and their need to control. It certainly doesn't demonstrate love for the child. Children remember the battles, and the control. And the more control, i.e. bullying, the child experienced, the less likely they are as adults to ever eat what they were literally emotionally "forced" to eat.

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Serving kids "sweet" so they'll eat something isn't going to serve them well as they grow. 

I wasn't bullied at the dinner table.  I just grew up eating nutritious food.  That's the point I was trying to make.  I know a few mothers who let their kids eat cookies and gummy bears because they won't eat anything else, saying "oh, they'll grow out of it".

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Not sure why you feel the need to make this All About You. Quite a few posters have commented that they were expected to eat what was put in front of them like it or not, with various "methods" or threats to insure that they did. It's the way most of us past 60 were raised. Just because we lived through it doesn't make it a great idea.

My post didn't even mention serving sweet foods to children instead of nutritious food - that's your interpretation, of ?

A commentary is just a commentary. 

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I certainly wasn't making it "All About Me".  "A little sauce" is often sweet.  Mea Culpa if I misinterpreted it.  Or perhaps I was responding to the topic as a whole and it wasn't just in response to you.  Yes, yes I was.

Maybe it's your control issues coming up.