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[catter70]

My thought, too, @hckynutjohn . The cars aren't cheap nor are the batteries when they are needed to be replaced.

[Johnnyeager]

Oh, the folly of unexpected consequences. 

The antinuclear movement worked for years to have the Indian Point nuclear power plants on the Hudson River shutdown and decommissioned. 

Conveniently ignoring that the plant accounted for nearly 25% of the electricity consumed in Westchester and NYC.

They won.   Shut down.

So what did electricity distributor ConEd have to do?  Import more expensive (and much less clean) coal and oil generated power into NY.

Fossil fuel dependence has thus grown in NYC as of 2021.

[Meowingkitty]

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@Desertdi wrote:

@hckynutjohn     Haven't seen ANY electric charging stations in MY corner of the desert...     (And I have no plans of ever getting rid of my internal combustion engine!)  di

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And what am I supposed to do while the thing charges? Sit in my car in 113 degree heat somewhere between Phoenix and Tucson?

[Love to Run]

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

The average American is woefully uninformed on this subject. Case in point. AES has a power plant in Huntington Beach California and the people voted in politicians who wanted the old power plant closed for environmental reasons. But ooopsi those same politicians have given a yearly extension for 20 years now because they have NO long standing, no non problematic alternative despite investing in clean alternatives, and they do enjoy their electricity. So either the climate citizens assume their city came up with some clean energy that the rest of the world doesn't know about or they don't care because their guy was voted in despite no change and they still get electricity. The only reason I know this is by someone on the inside certainly not main stream media.

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They converted to natural gas years ago. Natural gas, though a fossil fuel, burns much cleaner than coal or oil. Not sure what the big secret is.

[Nancy Drew]

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@Love to Run wrote:

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

The average American is woefully uninformed on this subject. Case in point. AES has a power plant in Huntington Beach California and the people voted in politicians who wanted the old power plant closed for environmental reasons. But ooopsi those same politicians have given a yearly extension for 20 years now because they have NO long standing, no non problematic alternative despite investing in clean alternatives, and they do enjoy their electricity. So either the climate citizens assume their city came up with some clean energy that the rest of the world doesn't know about or they don't care because their guy was voted in despite no change and they still get electricity. The only reason I know this is by someone on the inside certainly not main stream media.

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They converted to natural gas years ago. Natural gas, though a fossil fuel, burns much cleaner than coal or oil. Not sure what the big secret is.

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The new plant has. But that doesn't keep up with demand. The fact that no one has a clean energy that is reliable, not problematic and keep up with demand is the big secret but as usual you know it all. BTW USA Today is not a reliable fact check source.

[ValuSkr]

It's important to think ahead to the world we leave for our children and grandchildren.  You know the old cliche - no pain, no gain.  It's hard to do; I understand the push-back.

[Love to Run]

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

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@Love to Run wrote:

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

The average American is woefully uninformed on this subject. Case in point. AES has a power plant in Huntington Beach California and the people voted in politicians who wanted the old power plant closed for environmental reasons. But ooopsi those same politicians have given a yearly extension for 20 years now because they have NO long standing, no non problematic alternative despite investing in clean alternatives, and they do enjoy their electricity. So either the climate citizens assume their city came up with some clean energy that the rest of the world doesn't know about or they don't care because their guy was voted in despite no change and they still get electricity. The only reason I know this is by someone on the inside certainly not main stream media.

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They converted to natural gas years ago. Natural gas, though a fossil fuel, burns much cleaner than coal or oil. Not sure what the big secret is.

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The new plant has. But that doesn't keep up with demand. The fact that no one has a clean energy that is reliable, not problematic and keep up with demand is the big secret but as usual you know it all. BTW USA Today is not a reliable fact check source.

@Nancy Drew By all means, please share your source. Let me guess, it's too top secret for the main stream meadia.

Anyway, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[meem120]

Electric cars....Hmmm.  The cost to buy, cost of repairs.  The average battery of an electric car must be removed by  a fork lift.  All repair people will have to learn that and the cost of average electric car battery is $5000.00.  Can you imagine the labor cost on these cars?  I dont see how the average middle class person can afford any of this.

[hckynutjohn]

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@ValuSkr wrote:

It's important to think ahead to the world we leave for our children and grandchildren.  You know the old cliche - no pain, no gain.  It's hard to do; I understand the push-back.

@ValuSkr 

Just for the record. I do not have any children. 

hckynut 🇺🇸

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[Isobel Archer]

Not to mention that we don't want to talk about the slave labor to mine the cobalt for the batteries and in the production of the batteries.

Nor do we talk about the environmental impact of disposing of the batteries - or even of solar panels.

Nor do we care about the environmental impact - and the tremendous cost to the food industry -  of increasing the use of ethonol in gasoline.

Nor is it a problem apparently to ask hostile countries to supply oil (which as noted above is produced at more of a cost to the enviroment than if it were produced in the U.S.)

No I don't want to be lectured any more by the self righteous green people who actually have no idea - and care even less - about what they are actually doing to the environment  - and the harm being borne by those less fortunate they claim to care so much about.