Employees who have been Fired - Page 3

x Hedge · ‎08-18-2016

@JBKO It's called Progressive Disciplinary Action, and everywhere I've worked there has been a 5 step system, with termination of employment being the 5th step.

Additionally there are usually time limits and goals established. So if an employee were to get to step three, then clean up their act and maintain that for a specified amount of time, then starts having issues again, they don't go to step four. They start over at step one.

Also, you cannot combine types of 'offenses'.

There are usually three or more 'types'.

Someone may have a problem in work performance, then start with attendance and tardiness problems. You can't build one type of offense onto another.

I have walked several employees out the door, one disciplinary 'step' at a time. Its generally a multi-months process.

However, when the measure of 'scope and severity' is applied, and the offence is so severe it meets the "one time and you're out" level, you still never terminate anyone outright.

In this case an employee would be, "Suspended, pending investigation" and sent home.

A thorough investigation would be made and documented, and if termination is warrented, the employee is often informed via registered mail.

ALRATIBA · ‎07-15-2016

I've only worked for large corporations - and generally after one sub-standard performance evaluation for non-exec positions, you are warned that you had better get your act together or you are out next evaluation. It's expensive to keep a non-performer on staff and unfair to other employees who pick up the slack.

Re corporate execs .... on more than one occasion, I've seen execs terminated with no notice. Security shows up at their office, takes their company access cards, credit cards and cell phone and escorts them out.

lovesrecess · ‎03-14-2010

Sometimes a rumor starts that someone was fired when it isn't even true...so take all this info with a grain of salt. Employees can be fired without cause in right to work states...but to avoid lawsuits, most give warnings or an opportunity to correct any issue that may be below standards.

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@Lipstickdiva, @puttypiesmom, and @Annabellethecat66

My husband has been a labor arbitrator for more than 40 years, primarily in the public sector.

It is incorrect that government employees cannot be fired. That is amisinformation that is most often used for political purposes.

If a unionized worker is terminated or suspended, he may file a grievance. If not resolved by management and union, the union can take it to binding arbitration.

The arbitrator is a neutral and makes a decision based upon the information presented by both parties. He is as likely to uphold management's decision as he is to nullify it. His judgment is final.

If a government employee is not unionized, then a similar procedure is involved. The issue would go to a civil service committee.

Either way the government worker can most definitely be terminated, but it has to be with cause. As far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Veridoc · ‎07-18-2018

When I was working, if someone was fired the boss would call a staff meeting and announce "Soand So will no longer be with us". Period. No explanation. End of meeting.. I was the last of the "oldies" to retire in my office. One thing that was obvious to me, and this is just MHO, the young employees do not have our work ethic. They show up and think that is all that is necessary. I could not stand the attitude of "this will do" or "this is good enough" when it came to the standard our office should have been maintaining. So glad I made it to retirement.

Annabellethecat66 · ‎03-12-2010

@puttypiesmom Nope! What often happens is if they are close to retirement age they'll buy out the time they have left (early retirement).

Most of the time though they just transfer to another part/job in the government.

Now I will tell you that my friend was just mentioning someone she knew of who didn't want to retire (he was past retirement age) and he was technically forced to retired, so there are a few places in the government where they are actually downsizing.

However, for the most part people just get moved around. I know it sounds like I'm exaggerating. However, I was just trying to think of how many people I know who aren't working in some form for the government or haven't retired from the government.

I think maybe (taking into account over the years) I'd have to say maybe, just maybe you could count them on two hands.....that's being generous.

Most of the people I know and know of work in some way for the US government especially in the DC/Va and some of Maryland area. You have to remember I was born in this area as were many of the people I know and went to school with (I'm talking about high school).

I don't mean to bust on the government. I was paid well for what I did (I was just a secretary and loved it). But the way the government works is you are a grade (say GS-6) every year up to a few years, you move down the line of a GS-6 so you make more money.

They always wanted me to go into DC to work but I wouldn't go so my office moved to an AF base, same thing.

I loved working at the Pentagon. It was big and wonderful! Many of my friends worked there. At the Pentagon there are many many 4 star generals. It's always funny when military gets sent to the Pentagon they aren't used to seeing and being around so many Generals.

Remember, I haven't worked in a long time but I have friends who retired only a few years ago and things haven't changed. At least not in our world as we know it.

corita · ‎08-20-2012

@Lipstickdiva wrote:
I have worked at 2 places where someone was terminated for stealing. In both instances, when the employee walked through the door, the bosses were waiting for them. They were told to clean out their desk and they were escorted off the property.
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      One time where I worked, an employee was given 30 minutes to pack his things and escorted out by security!
      He was gambling on the company's computer. Apparently many people knew, but I didn't. I did not have much contact with him. . Of course, the boss found out and he was gone. Such an intelligent man who had a family and did his job so well.
      I still think back and wonder...what was he thinking?

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@Annabellethecat66 wrote:
Well I worked for the US government (as does almost ALL of my friends).

I can tell you that if you work for the government (at least in the DC/Md/Va area you never get fired.

If a person is terrible and causing problems, they usually just get moved somewhere else.

My friend I eat with almost every day and I were just talking about this. She knows someone who has been moved so many times it's crazy.

That's one of the problems with the government. People just don't get fired. I'm talking about the lower jobs to higher on up. This person I mentioned is a GS-15. First year of a GS-15 is $101,630.00 - $132,122.00!! How about that!

In the private sector, people can get fired. I haven't worked in a long time and then I only worked for the government.

I've always felt like (and many friends agree) that often (not always) people in the private sector work harder. Now I'm talking about the lower grades here, not the big wigs. The lower grades generally do pretty good.

Because people are lazy.

People in Government jobs can get fired. It's a process. It takes time and effort that most people aren't willing to put in. They'd rather just complain and move the problem employee along.

As far as private sector is concerned, there are slackers everywhere. It doesn't matter how well or poorly they are paid. Some people are just lazy. Sometimes they can hide it enough that they get away with it for awhile; sometimes they leave on their own for greener grass.

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carlycat · ‎06-07-2010

I worked in HR in a large private corporation and I’m telling you right now people can be fired for anything anytime. No three step process is required. The boss is sick of you, you’re out the door. They will come up with something. Where I worked, the way they got around lawsuits was with “buyouts.” At least $10,000, usually $35-50,000, or a year’s salary. Corporate America is disgusting.