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[SilleeMee]

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@SoonerLater wrote:

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@JamandBread wrote:
When electricity is out you can't gas up your car either.

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@JamandBread You can siphon it out of the other car.  

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Or buy a generator...like a Generac or something like that.

[JamandBread]

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@SilleeMee wrote:

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@SoonerLater wrote:

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@JamandBread wrote:
When electricity is out you can't gas up your car either.

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@JamandBread You can siphon it out of the other car.  

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Or buy a generator...like a Generac or something like that.

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Couldn't you buy a Generac to charge your electric car? 

[Spurt]

If you already made sure to fill your tank with gas before the storm hits your car is ready to be used as needed . But not many people have charging stations and not many of them around and charge doesn't last long. Like waiting in fast food drive thru for 2 hours like many people did here

[gardenman]

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@Spurt wrote:

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@gardenman wrote:

@Spurt 

No one talks about how to heat the cities in the winter without fossil fuels. Imagine trying to heat all of the buildings in Chicago, NYC, Boston, or similar cities without fossil fuels. How do you do it? You just can't. Eliminating fossil fuels is impossible at this point. I don't even know why anyone suggests it can be done. It just can't be done now.

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@gardenman 

Very well said! Even though our "artic storm" provided lower than normal winter temperatures, in no way does this compare with what the normal winter temperatures are for those that live in the North and Northeast (below zero)..... so if this environmental friendly wind system stopped working in Texas (even with it paired with a combo diverse portfolio consisting of wind/natural gas/nuclear/electricity),  how can this possibly work where it gets even colder and winters are longer....Those in charge just dont have ANY common sense or they dont care!  This was a green energy test and it failed, yet they seem to be ignoring it blaming it on a freak storm, but it had ramifications for the entire U.S.!!! 

This is what the investigation said about how the wind turbines and solar performed: 

Widespread freezing rain reduced the operability of many wind turbines and overcast conditions obviously limited solar output. the amount allocated for natural gas generation quickly surged, then continued increasing but not able to meet the dramatic increase in demand while coal and nuclear held constant.”  

@gardenman What was interesting is we had similar temperatures back in 1989 but had no problems because the main source was coal and nuclear!!!  Back then our houses were nice and warm and we had fun playing in the 13 inches of snow...

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@Spurt 

Texas wouldn't have had a problem this time around either, but they couldn't restart their older power plants that no longer met Federal clean air standards without permission from the EPA. Texas applied to the EPA for emergency permission to restart those plants and permission was granted, but the EPA insisted they had to be billed at a minimum of $1500/MWh. That made it absurdly expensive to restart the plants. The average wholesale cost of electricity in 2020 was $22/MWh, so you're talking a fairly substantial increase in costs.

Texas saw the problem coming and tried to head it off, but the Feds made it impossible. They had the power plants standing by, all they needed was permission to restart them and while they were given the permission, the costs imposed made it impossible. 

[Spurt]

If you already made sure to fill your tank with gas before the storm hits your car is ready to be used as needed . But not many people have charging stations and not many of them around

[JamandBread]

@Spurt people who have electric cars will charge up the same way people will gas up if a storm is coming. In the end, neither electric or gas vehicle owners would be able to run their cars if faced with a long term power outage.

[Lucky Charm]

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@JamandBread wrote:
When electricity is out you can't gas up your car either.

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We have several 5 gallon gas containers for in case we ever need them to fill up a generator or the pressure washer.  Don't think we've ever used them to put in car tanks, in fact 2 have never been used.

[suzyQ3]

I will definitely buy an electric car down the road, so to speak, or whatever they come up with that will help the environment.

I bet if this forum had been around when we were transitioning from horses to automobiles, the discussion would be similar.

[Porcelain]

Hybrid cars are great. Best of both worlds.

Once superior batteries are the norm, gas will be so comparatively expensive, no one will want the old style cars. Posters here excepted of course.

[CelticCrafter]

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@SoonerLater wrote:

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@JamandBread wrote:
When electricity is out you can't gas up your car either.

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@JamandBread You can siphon it out of the other car.  

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That makes no sense, just use the other car.