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[CelticCrafter]

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@JamandBread wrote:

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@CelticCrafter wrote:

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@CherryHugs wrote:

Wonder what happens if there is a power outage?!

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If there's a power outage you can't charge the batteries.

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You can't pump gas either.

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We're not talking about gas powered cars...

[JamandBread]

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@Cakers3 wrote:

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@JamandBread wrote:

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@Spurt wrote:

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@JamandBread wrote:

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@Spurt wrote:

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@JamandBread wrote:
@Spurtpeople who have electric cars will charge up the same way people will gas up if a storm is coming. In the end, neither electric or gas vehicle owners would be able to run their cars if faced with a long term power outage.

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@JamandBread 

So what happened in our city then when electric car owners were stranded and meteorologist warned us for weeks what was coming why didnt the electric car owners (all 22,600) prepare like gasoline car owners did.......🤔

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I don't know those 22,600 electric car owners, so I can't answer the question. Are you saying that every electric car owner was stranded? Were there no gas powered cars stranded?

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@JamandBread 

I saw the traffic and LOTS of gas powered cars on the roads 

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I see. Your observations only. You really don't know how many electric cars continued to run thru the power outage. I thought you had stats. Thank you for the clarification.

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@JamandBread   The issue isn't about "stats"; the issue is how efficient EV's are in extreme cold.   From what I have been researching lithium batteries do not hold up well in cold weather.

Also charging stations are not amenable to all brands of EV's.

Joshua Busby, a professor in UTAustin specializing in environment and climate policy, could not recharge his EV between Austin and College Station because the stations were only for Tesla.

I think this discussion is heading in the wrong direction instead of presenting some of the other issues involved with EV's.

Obviously nobody was out counting EV's during that freeze but if @Spurt saw plenty of gas-powered cars that doesn't mean she was counting them and not the EV's.

This discussion is becoming a tad heated and it might be better to discuss production and the infrastructure issues surrounding maintaining an EV.

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I simply observed that you cannot fill up your gas powered vehicle during a power outage, the same way you can't charge your electric car (my first post, pg 3). A simple and true observation does not need to lead to a heated discussion unless one wants it to. I thought Spurt had some stats to back up her assertion that 22,600 electric vehicle owners didn't charge their vehicles and were stranded during the power outage in Texas. but I get it now.

[Cakers3]

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@Spurt wrote:

@Cakers3 

One thing about those wind turbines...have you been down to the coast and seen them all....boy they sure to take up a LOT of land....so we got these huge metal things primarily made of steel taking up acres of land, with the hot sun hitting them, doesnt that heat up the environment...??????? Researchers report the most accurate modelling yet of how increasing wind power would affect climate, finding that large-scale wind power generation would warm the Continental United States . And we are using this valuable land that could be used for other important purposes like growing food (vegtables and fruits which is important because they want to discourage eating of red meat)

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@SpurtThe issue of valuable land is a good point but not all land is suitable for growing food.

The technology for wind turbines offshore is growing rapidly, too, for those worried that the wind turbines will be taking over too much land and aesthetic views.  Also smaller versions are developed.

As far as climate change/warming/etc. - there are two publications from Harvard in the publications Joule and Environmental Research Letters concluded that large wind farms would increase land (USA) temps by .024C.

Yet there are other publications refuting the idea that these turbines do not impact the environment at all.

It all depends upon what side of the fence that suits  ones views.

The same can be said for solar-what  will the warmth from those panels affect temperature?

I'm not a scientist; I just read what I can get my hands on and while I admit some of it makes my eyes glaze over - I think it is important to know all the pros and cons from reputable sources; and not personal opinion blogs.

The various way to improve our environment do not have to be one or nothing; I think we can reach a point where perhaps wind turbines/solar panels/EV's and the mining of REM's for them can all be part of solutions with the "side effects" taken into account and managed.

I also think people who are on one side or the other need to evaluate their own contribution to daily waste.  It just doesn't magically disappear.

Good discussion.

[Sooner]

I just fail to see what issues an electric vehicle would solve.  And at some point they are going to tax them heavily, if they don't now--I don't know, to make up for any loss in gas taxes, which is a gigantic source of revenue. 

[Porcelain]

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@JamandBread wrote:
Not sure what that has to do with the ability to continue to drive during a power outage, but ok. I dont own an electric car, no plans to purchase one, so i have no skin in the game. My replies simply had to do with being able to gas up or charge up during power outages. You can't do either. So the theory that gas powered vehicles are more reliable during long term power outages doesnt make sense. At least not to me.

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That makes way too much sense and is far too logical.

People here are clearly talking about how much they love and are loyal to their gas powered cars. You were not off topic at all by bringing up the fact that when there is no electricity gas pumps don't work, just like charging stations don't work.

When there is no electricity, everything pretty much stops and we are all dead in the water. Which is why strengthening and hardening and diversifying our energy infrastructure is so urgent.

[hckynut]

Get many more quotes quoting quotes you will have to flip the page to read 1 post. How anyone makes sense out of them without spending time figuring out who is quoting whom, and it what quote? 

I'll pass.

hckynut 

[JamandBread]

@porcelain a little surprised by the push back, but I get it now.
Glad you understood. 👍👌

[Lucky Charm]

Again, you don't need to fill up your car with gas using a gas pump.

We have lived along the east coast and prepare for hurricanes.  Once a named storm is projected our way, we do prepare.

First thing you do is get gas.  DH's main vehicle holds 36 gals, mine holds 31 and I think the newest is 26.  But we always have gas containers and do fill them in case we need the generator.  No need for electrictity for gas here.

Luckily, we've never had to evacuate

[agb80]

The manufacture of electric cars en masse will put a lot of companies out of business such as the manufacturer of mufflers, air filters, radiators, hoses, thermostats, carburetors and many more car parts that I can't think of at the moment.  This will not only affect the many hundreds if not thouands of people who own those businesses in the manufacture of gas powered cars and trucks but also the multitude of investors who own stock in their company. 

[Cakers3]

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@JamandBread wrote:
@porcelaina little surprised by the push back, but I get it now.
Glad you understood. 👍👌

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@JamandBreadI think you are taking the discussion on a tad of a personal level.

The factors being discussed are what is true and logical; nobody is saying they refuse to give up their gas powered cars.  Not everyone can afford an EV, too.

I will say this again, although my post was repeated by another person, that we can reach a way so that multiple sources of energy can work harmoniously, including strict regulations on mining the REM's need to make EV batteries.  Lighter cars and improved emission controls.

Many people keep their cars "gassed up", too, and therefore are more likely to drive over the person who is concerned the EV car cannot be recharged during a power outage. 

Discussions are not push back unless insults are tossed.

I think you have opened up a path for some good thoughts to be submitted and keep an open mind about all of us just doing our best to share.

I hope to dialogue with you again.