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05-06-2022 03:31 PM
@mimomof4 I respect your disagreeing with me, but my parents were older when I was born, and let me tell you asked a lot of me as far as being responsible and not doing stupid stuff.
I worked at chores from when I can remember, took care of animals, did farm work and was told I was a productive member of my family and was in part responsible for the success we had as a family--including being responsible for the living things, the money, and the things we owned.
I do know that made me way more responsible and not a kid out doing stupid stuff. It wasn't me, I wasn't brought up to follow the crowd, and I know why I was that way--and why some kids weren't that way and some were.
I don't think all of todays kids are taught to grow up at a reasonable age.
05-06-2022 04:07 PM
@Cats3000 wrote:NO!!!!!! Total idiots, period. Imbeciles, period. A menace to others on the highway, period.
Where the heck are their parents? They should take the car keys away and no more driving until they're at least 18.
"Where are their parents"? I am guessing they are not in these vehicles. Take away the car keys? I suspect many parents, without video proof, would say, not my little angel, or something similar. That or possibly a summons written to them by Law Enforcement.
This is one of the things I don't believe has anything to do with the parents. As I said, some of my friends were nuts behind the wheel, and that was 7 decades ago.
Their actions had nothing to do with their parents, other than it was their parent's vehicles. I was one of the few that paid for my own car., and I assure you there was little nonsense when in my cars.
Other than typing a very long post, even for me? I could type about this topic of vehicles and dangers for a couple hours at least. But since this post mentioned specific acts, I will leave it at that.
hckynut 🇺🇸
05-06-2022 04:15 PM
@Imaoldhippie wrote:Dont berate the OP for doing the right thing. She just might have saved the teens lives and maybe others that day.
In case you are referencing my post, I will say this. I was not berating @PickyPicky3 . I was stating what I would not do under the same situation, and for the reasons, which i listed.
If you were not referring to my post, ignore this one.
hckynut 🇺🇸
05-06-2022 04:37 PM
I remember when I was driving as a teen and how much fun that was. Did some crazy things and lived to tell the stories. I'd do it all again if I could. Those were the days.
05-06-2022 04:52 PM - edited 05-07-2022 12:56 AM
@mimomof4 wrote:
I do agree with the poster who indicated that senior drivers can be just as dangerous. I wish we had additional driving tests as people get older. Taking the keys away is not easy when someone is elderly but I see many every single day that should most definetly not be driving.
Not sure at what age you consider to be a senior driver. Here in our state if you are older than 72 when your drivers license expires, you cannot renew Online.
Although renewing does not include driving, it does cover a written basic knowledge of the rules of the roads, test and a check of their vision.
Turning 83 next month I wish they would require a driving test. I even asked a manager, of a branch of our DMV, why they don't require a driving test after a specific age. A fairly quick response, which to me came down to $$$.
My wife and her brother took the keys away from their late mother. While she was still very sharp mentally until she died, she just didn't recognize how dangerous she was while driving. She was close to my age when she agreed to relinquish her keys to her car.
Like many things in life, I have mentioned on these forums for years, chronological years are not the only age factor. The number of years on earth is not the determinant of an older person's age.
I have seen people at 50 that by Physiological age, they are in their 80's, and there are others well into their 80's, that Physiologically and Psychologically are in the 50's. I have quite a few friends that fall into the latter group, and I include myself.
Driving any motor vehicle on any public roadway is a privilege, not a right. And in this case you mentioned about your teen losing a license in 3 months?
Unless laws have changed or are different in your state, a license is not usually revoked after 1 moving violation. There are certain types of violations that would be considered a major motor vehicle violation, thus a license is immediately revoked.
Hopefully your teen will change the way they drive after having their license revoked. Some learn, some do not. As I mentioned in my original post, I ran with teens that were nuts when driving. Unfortunately they never got caught doing anything serious enough to have their license revoked.
hckynut 🇺🇸
05-06-2022 07:40 PM
People tend to forget the things they did in their youth that today is unheard-of.
Not much police can do unless they actually see what these boys were doing.
05-06-2022 09:39 PM
@hckynutjohn I think she said "lost" as in suspended, not revoked, but I could be wrong. I worked as an auto insurance underwriter for 20+ years and the laws/rules very by state & also depending on the type of license (learner's permit, etc) the teenager had. I've been out of it a while, but for example in VA, I believe that 2 violations will result in a suspended license for an inexperienced driver (teenager). She did say he lost it within 3 months of getting it, so he likely had some restrictions.
@PickyPicky3 You did the right thing & thank you. I've raised teenagers not all that long ago, but as a parent, I'd be happy to know that someone tried to safely put a stop to his reckless behavior & possibly saved his life.
05-06-2022 11:09 PM
Several of my friends have given their grandkids new cars for their 15th birthday. They aren't even old enough to drive yet...have a learner's permit. It is baffling to me why they do this.
05-10-2022 08:50 AM
@hckynutjohn wrote:
@mimomof4 wrote:
I do agree with the poster who indicated that senior drivers can be just as dangerous. I wish we had additional driving tests as people get older. Taking the keys away is not easy when someone is elderly but I see many every single day that should most definetly not be driving.
Not sure at what age you consider to be a senior driver. Here in our state if you are older than 72 when your drivers license expires, you cannot renew Online.
Although renewing does not include driving, it does cover a written basic knowledge of the rules of the roads, test and a check of their vision.
Turning 83 next month I wish they would require a driving test. I even asked a manager, of a branch of our DMV, why they don't require a driving test after a specific age. A fairly quick response, which to me came down to $$$.
My wife and her brother took the keys away from their late mother. While she was still very sharp mentally until she died, she just didn't recognize how dangerous she was while driving. She was close to my age when she agreed to relinquish her keys to her car.
Like many things in life, I have mentioned on these forums for years, chronological years are not the only age factor. The number of years on earth is not the determinant of an older person's age.
I have seen people at 50 that by Physiological age, they are in their 80's, and there are others well into their 80's, that Physiologically and Psychologically are in the 50's. I have quite a few friends that fall into the latter group, and I include myself.
Driving any motor vehicle on any public roadway is a privilege, not a right. And in this case you mentioned about your teen losing a license in 3 months?
Unless laws have changed or are different in your state, a license is not usually revoked after 1 moving violation. There are certain types of violations that would be considered a major motor vehicle violation, thus a license is immediately revoked.
Hopefully your teen will change the way they drive after having their license revoked. Some learn, some do not. As I mentioned in my original post, I ran with teens that were nuts when driving. Unfortunately they never got caught doing anything serious enough to have their license revoked.
hckynut 🇺🇸
@hckynutjohn I would like to see anyone over 70 be required to take a driving test. The vision test is meaningless and in my state they don't even require a written test.
what my son did at 16 was serious enough that as an adult if I did the same thing I would have been placed in jail immediately. While this kid has always harped on me being an overly cautious driver - he had a speeding ticket (caught driving almost 70 in a residential area) within 30 days of getting his license. Mom and dad revoked driving privileges for a month unless he was helping us or Grandma. Within another 30 days he lied about where he was located drove over 100MPH on a freeway after hours when he wasn't suppose to be driving and got into an accident. He is lucky he didn't kill himself. While legally at the time he didn't have his license suspended pending a court case, now court is done and we got an official letter from the state.
This is why I hate hearing people (usually grandparents sorry) make comments such as where were the parents (often forgetting that they were once young)? As a parent I have done everything I can but unfortunately a 16 year old made a string of bad decisions which in no way reflect how we raised him but I see how people in my town now avoid eye contact with me. Now if he ever wants to drive he will need to pay to reinstate his license, car insurance and his own car. I'm not paying so I can't wait until he gets the eye opener at 18 and if he can get auto insurance see how expensive it will be.
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