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Re: Do you think a pilot that has a mental illness should lose his job?

On 3/30/2015 Plaid Pants said:

Which drugs?

Any drugs?

All drugs?

Aspirin?

If we got rid of all pilots who were "on drugs", there would be very few left to fly the planes, and yo thought that the price were expensive now.

Just wait until there are even less around to do so.

That can't be true. When I refer to drugs, I'm not talking about antibotics and aspirin, I'm referring to long time medication that alter ones' mood.

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What drugs? Mind altering drugs.
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Re: Do you think a pilot that has a mental illness should lose his job?

On 3/30/2015 Plaid Pants said:
On 3/30/2015 occasional rain said: I don't want a pilot on drugs in the cockpit. Lots of people have to settle for a job that isn't the one they desire. How many get their dream job, not many.

Which drugs?

Any drugs?

All drugs?

Aspirin?

If we got rid of all pilots who were "on drugs", there would be very few left to fly the planes, and yo thought that the price were expensive now.

Just wait until there are even less around to do so.

I'm not OR but I agree with her to a point. Someone going through a rough patch taking SSRI's is a far cry from someone with Bipolar disorder taking antipsychotics, especially with pilots and public transport operators. Antipsychotics slow reaction times critical to those jobs.

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Re: Do you think a pilot that has a mental illness should lose his job?

Holey Moley, yes of course they should!!!!

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Re: Do you think a pilot that has a mental illness should lose his job?

I checked on-line for the total number of FAA medical examiners. Less than 3700. US airline pilots are required to pass a Class I exam from a senior medical examiner. How many senior examiners are there? I couldn't find a breakout for that extra qualification. In our area there are 3 FAA certified physicians, 2 have the senior designation. One has an obstetrics practice, the other is an Occupational Medicine specialist. In a nearby county there is one senior AME, a primary care specialist. These doctors fit the pilots into their regular practices.

Under 40 yo, it's a yearly exam with EKG. Over 40, twice yearly, with an annual EKG. There is a computer hook-up that sends the EKG in real-time to the FAA. As part of the exam, pilots list all doctors visits since the last FAA physical, diagnosis and meds.

These senior AME's have to certify 104,000 airline and commercial pilots according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The system will need a radical overhaul to add a mental health component.

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Re: Do you think a pilot that has a mental illness should lose his job?

On 3/30/2015 betteb said:
On 3/30/2015 Plaid Pants said:
On 3/30/2015 occasional rain said: I don't want a pilot on drugs in the cockpit. Lots of people have to settle for a job that isn't the one they desire. How many get their dream job, not many.

Which drugs?

Any drugs?

All drugs?

Aspirin?

If we got rid of all pilots who were "on drugs", there would be very few left to fly the planes, and yo thought that the price were expensive now.

Just wait until there are even less around to do so.

I'm not OR but I agree with her to a point. Someone going through a rough patch taking SSRI's is a far cry from someone with Bipolar disorder taking antipsychotics, especially with pilots and public transport operators. Antipsychotics slow reaction times critical to those jobs.

Agreed. There is a difference. That's why it is dangerous to make a blanket statement.

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On 3/30/2015 adelle38 said:
On 3/30/2015 sidsmom said:
On 3/30/2015 adelle38 said:

There are other professions such as doctors, police, fire fighters in which human lives are at stake on a daily basis and they can certainly do those jobs while coping with mental illness. if treated. I can't think of anyone other than a pilot who has the ability to kill hundreds of people in a matter of minutes if he is mentally unfit to do his job for even a few hours.

As I mentioned upthread, what about a Staten Island Ferry operator? Or a cruise ship captain? Or even someone that has access to many people...underground operators in heavily populated areas. It's not just airplane pilot specific.

In none of those instances could a single person's job enable him to kill hundreds if people in a matter of minutes. How would a cruise hip captain sink a ship by himself?

It's not really about how many. If a cab driver was impared & kills one person....it's just as bad as an airplane killing 100+ people. People die everyday in cases where they have no control. Don't know why the airline aspect makes it any different.

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On 3/30/2015 sidsmom said:
On 3/30/2015 adelle38 said:
On 3/30/2015 sidsmom said:
On 3/30/2015 adelle38 said:

There are other professions such as doctors, police, fire fighters in which human lives are at stake on a daily basis and they can certainly do those jobs while coping with mental illness. if treated. I can't think of anyone other than a pilot who has the ability to kill hundreds of people in a matter of minutes if he is mentally unfit to do his job for even a few hours.

As I mentioned upthread, what about a Staten Island Ferry operator? Or a cruise ship captain? Or even someone that has access to many people...underground operators in heavily populated areas. It's not just airplane pilot specific.

In none of those instances could a single person's job enable him to kill hundreds if people in a matter of minutes. How would a cruise hip captain sink a ship by himself?

It's not really about how many. If a cab driver was impared & kills one person....it's just as bad as an airplane killing 100+ people. People die everyday in cases where they have no control. Don't know why the airline aspect makes it any different.

Costa Concordia was a ship that was sunk due to the Captain's poor judgement. Fortunately not everyone perished however it was unfortunate that many died.

I find it hard to believe that most people who might be depressed or even suicidal would want to harm others because they are in pain.

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Re: Do you think a pilot that has a mental illness should lose his job?

On 3/30/2015 sidsmom said:
On 3/30/2015 adelle38 said:
On 3/30/2015 sidsmom said:
On 3/30/2015 adelle38 said:

There are other professions such as doctors, police, fire fighters in which human lives are at stake on a daily basis and they can certainly do those jobs while coping with mental illness. if treated. I can't think of anyone other than a pilot who has the ability to kill hundreds of people in a matter of minutes if he is mentally unfit to do his job for even a few hours.

As I mentioned upthread, what about a Staten Island Ferry operator? Or a cruise ship captain? Or even someone that has access to many people...underground operators in heavily populated areas. It's not just airplane pilot specific.

In none of those instances could a single person's job enable him to kill hundreds if people in a matter of minutes. How would a cruise hip captain sink a ship by himself?

It's not really about how many. If a cab driver was impared & kills one person....it's just as bad as an airplane killing 100+ people. People die everyday in cases where they have no control. Don't know why the airline aspect makes it any different.

Even evil has degrees, IMO. Killing over 100 people, intentionally, is a little different then a cab driver killing one person. I have never heard of a cab driver killing anyone, intentionally, because he was suicidal. Have you?

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That pilot wasn't suicidal, he was homicidal. If he wanted to die, that was his choice, but he didn't have the right to choose for 149 others.