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Re: DID THIS JURY GET IT RIGHT?


@Dash wrote:

It's unfortunate you can't discuss a legal issue without getting overly emotional and personally hateful.  


@Dash

 

I haven't seen anyone here get overly emotional, or personally hateful.  Some of us simply disagree with your views.

 

Speaking of legal issues, disagreeing with you is our right.

 

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Re: DID THIS JURY GET IT RIGHT?


@Noel7 wrote:

In San Jose CA, a man who killed 20 cats before he was caught was just sentenced to 16 years in jail.

 

When sentenced, the judge read aloud all names of the beloved pets.

 

Times are changing, the law no longer routinely sees pets on the same level as a television set.

 

* Numbers corrected.


@Noel7

 

Times ARE changing .... the FBI now considers animal abuse a Class A Felony, and it's now a Felony in all 50 states.  It's about time.

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Re: DID THIS JURY GET IT RIGHT?

It's about time. People who abuse animals often go on to hurt people. 

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The Baltimore Sun says the dog was on top of the officer when the dog was shot?  If that's true... that puts a whole new slant on things for me.

 

*******   I edited this to say, I just read another article that said the wounds on the dog did not match up with what the officer said. I guess I would have to know if the officer thought this dog was in an attack mode.

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Re: DID THIS JURY GET IT RIGHT?


@Noel7 wrote:

I have read way too many news reports of police shooting a family dog without cause.

 

In some areas there is no rule against it and it needs to stop.  The dogs were beloved family members.

 

Sometimes the only way to stop something like this is by suing and sending a message that it will no longer be tolerated.  It's just too bad the shooter wasn't punished in some way.


Send a message to whom?  The taxpayers?  

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I am a huge lover of dogs.  I also know a lot about them.  A large dog..... in attack mode .....could kill a person fairly quickly.  Although a dog who has not shown aggression to people he knows....... if he feels he is protecting his family and is territorial the dog instinct to do that is there. I am not sure about this one...

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Since only one side  is being told in this story it is impossible to know without hearing the officer's side.

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@Dash wrote:
I bet the family is laughing all the way to the bank. Over $1,000,000 for a dog. They won the lottery. And it's tax free. The verdict is ridiculous. The jury would not have awarded as much if a child had been shot and killed. I doubt this will stand on appeal, and the people in that county and state should be outraged.

The people in that county and state should be outraged that the police are not trained on how to deal with animals!!  Even mail carriers have pepper spray and dog treats to deal with dogs.  Can't imagine anyone laughing when their dog was needlessly shot!!  It's not about the money and that should be a lesson learned the hard way to train police properly how to deal with such situations.  The officer in this case obviously didn't even use common sense!!  When any law enforcement person sees a dog in someone's yard (no matter what the reason is for him/her needing access to the yard) they should either go to the door to have the owners call the dog or if it were true aggression use pepper spray to subdue the dog or even better yet don't act aggressively themselves and give the dog a small biscuit that they should carry.  The local cops in my area all have some bisccuits with them at all times.  The cop was investigating a burglary and it wasn't a life or death situation!  If he was looking for the suspect then odds are suspect would not be in that yard with the dog so he should not have entered the property. 

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Re: DID THIS JURY GET IT RIGHT?


@jubilant wrote:

I am a huge lover of dogs.  I also know a lot about them.  A large dog..... in attack mode .....could kill a person fairly quickly.  Although a dog who has not shown aggression to people he knows....... if he feels he is protecting his family and is territorial the dog instinct to do that is there. I am not sure about this one...


...not sure....

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Took a yr off work to train a dog...was he a show dog? If not, why would someone forfeit their livelihood to train a domestic pet?  My gut is....this is Baltimore. If this happened in a non-newsworthy city, it wouldn't have the same outcome. 

 

"The $1.26 million verdict includes $500,000 in monetary damages. Reeves works as a defense contractor, Hansel said, and the shooting caused him to miss a significant amount of time from work. The remaining $760,000 in damages was for the anguish caused by the shooting.

 

Reeves got Vern in 2009 and took one year off work then to train him."

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Personally, I would never leave my dog out at night alone.  I suppose this will not go over good with some people but if you have a dog properly trained....why wouldn't they be in the house? This is not the safest world for man or beast.  If you lived in a rough neighborhood, I would worry about my dog all night if he or she were out. Couldn't sleep a wink. At least put them in a garage or barn and give them protection against any human preditor out there.

 

*******  I edited this to add that a pet owner also bears responsibility for the safety of their animals.  Dogs don't live in the wild anymore.  Once we domesticated them and made them "our babies" that is exactly how we should see them.  We are their protectors as much as they are ours.  This is why I can't totally put all the blame on this police officer.