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Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Cakers3 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Laura14 wrote:
I have no issue with CC. I think it is ridiculous to judge a 15th century man by 21st century standards some of which are no better 6 centuries later in how we treat one another today.

Most important for me, it is Italian American heritage day so I am actually celebrating myself and all of my fellow Paisans too. Ciao gente!

You kind of summed it up in a nutshell with your first paragraph.

But we have to be PC and hate anything that lead us to where we are today, rather than study it and learn from it.

@Mominohio We are not learning about the discovery of America from the story of Christopher Columbus. Native Americans, Vikings, etc. were here long before the incorrect story that CC discovered what is now America, specifically the USA.

It isn't "PC" to recognize that CC was not "all that" to the indigenous peoples. THAT is what we learn from but sadly some have not taken one bit of that learning and applied it to today.

Being PC is refraining from slurs, stereotyping, and other hurtful actions against others. It has nothing to do with pointing out that CC, among others, was not a good person to those he considered beneath him.

The highlighted part is simply your opinion.

We as a nation have learned and applied much of what our past has to teach us.

One can see the glass as half empty and we are a useless society that needs constant apology, or we can see where all those that have inhabited this general area over the many centuries have contributed to the good in the world today as well as the bad.

I so tire of the collective "US" being constantly the bad guy. Like everything and everyone else in the world, we've had our successes and our failures. And that is the way of life.

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

Sometimes all you can do is own it ,and move on, Things that were acceptable in those days, simply weren't humane..It is sign of strength to admit this, rather than to try to push it under the rug

Ms tyrion2 · ‎05-08-2017

@Cakers3 wrote:
@Laura14 wrote:
I have no issue with CC. I think it is ridiculous to judge a 15th century man by 21st century standards some of which are no better 6 centuries later in how we treat one another today.

Most important for me, it is Italian American heritage day so I am actually celebrating myself and all of my fellow Paisans too. Ciao gente!
@Laura14 I'm positive that the indigenous peoples CC hurt would not agree that it is "ridiculous". Of course, they are not around to speak up.

Whether the 15th century or the 21st century, cruelty to others is the same no matter who did it and to whom.

There are no expiration dates.

You took the words right out of my keyboard @Cakers3.

I was about to type, genocide has no expiration date.

Celebrating Italian heritage is a good thing. You dont need Christopher Columbus for that.

bathina · ‎03-14-2010

@Cakers3 Wish there was a "love" button for your posts. Guess the hearts will have to do.

lovesrecess · ‎03-14-2010

It is Columbus Day here. They need to come up with a better name than "indigenous people day" before it catches on. Another suggestion was "we were here first people" day.....nah.....

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

We must remember that Native people were also very brutal toward their own people, as well. They believed in human sacrifice . The Aztecs tore the heart out of a living human victicm

A beautiful Indian maid was sent over Niagara Falls in a canoe laden with food as a living sacrifice.

We are living in an age on enlightenment( sometimes), and we understand this was a different time. People in general ,were quite brutal to each other, back then..The had public executions , and people went for entertainment . A lot of things that were done legally back then, by everyone ,gives me the shivers..But, there were also people who were good and kind too..the Geneva Convention ,was fashioned on St Augstine's just war theory. This theory was an attempt to try to limit what could be done to others during wars. It made many savage type things illegal in an attempt to create a more humane,and just society. It tried to limit how much you were able to wound an enemy.

bathina · ‎03-14-2010

@cherry wrote:
We must remember that Native people were also very brutal toward their own people, as well. They believed in human sacrifice . The Aztecs tore the heart out of a living human victicm

A beautiful Indian maid was sent over Niagara Falls in a canoe laden with food as a living sacrifice.

We are living in an age on enlightenment( sometimes), and we understand this was a different time. People in general ,were quite brutal to each other, back then..The had public executions , and people went for entertainment . A lot of things that were done legally back then, by everyone ,gives me the shivers..But, there were also people who were good and kind too..the Geneva Convention ,was fashioned on St Augstine's just war theory. This theory was an attempt to try to limit what could be done to others during wars. It made many savage type things illegal in an attempt to create a more humane,and just society. It tried to limit how much you were able to wound an enemy.

Regardless of the customs of the native people, they were raped, slaughtered and pillaged by the explorer. Would you make a national holiday to people who came onto your property, the property you and your ancestors occupied for centuries, and forced you out?

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

Don't put words in my mouth I have never said @bathina.. We are looking back at a different time in history. I never said a word about any of it being Ok , nor that it should be celebrated with a holiday. I just tried to put a bit of perspective about people in general

bathina · ‎03-14-2010

@cherry wrote:
Don't put words in my mouth I have never said @bathina.. We are looking back at a different time in history. I never said a word about any of it being Ok , nor that it should be celebrated with a holiday. I just tried to put a bit of perspective about people in general

Ummmmmm.....there's not one word in my reply where I put any words in your mouth. I never said you said it was ok, nor did I say you said it should be celebrated as a holiday. I also just tried to put a bit of perspective into my comment.

dex · ‎03-09-2010

It’s just a day off.We are arguing about something that happened before our time and all of these people no longer exist.I am fairly certain that everyone who has the day off today is enjoying it and nobody is refusing to take the day off for ethical or political reasons.