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[Lindsays Grandma]

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@golding76 wrote:

EastCoastGal, maybe the article was too long to read at the end of a long day.  I don't know what to answer to your question.  

All I know that my heart breaks for all that happened to the Olson family.  Poor Mrs. Olson.  And to have that dreadful man watching her every move all those years!  He may have fed her alcohol problem, for all we know.

And Greg Hayward, Lisa Olson's husband, was a West Point graduate and had done two tours of duty in Vietnam.  He and Lisa were very young when they and their toddler died in that plane crash.  All so sad.

But I think we all hurt on a gut level for Eric.  So much intelligence and education that was redirected to a place where he'll probably never find the final answer.  

You are right -- we are not supposed to know and we will never really know.

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I totally agree.

[golding76]

A powerful line from the article:

Now, it seemed to Eric Olson, that apology had been a cynical lie. It enabled the C.I.A. to hide, forever, a perfect murder.

[EastCoastGal]

@golding76 ... Yes ... The perfect murder. 

Sad .. Very sad.

[EastCoastGal]

@golding76 ... Having fibromyalgia, I sometimes have to read things 3 times to really understand it. So...who was following Lisa around?? 

[golding76]

EastCoastGal, it was Alice Olson, Eric's mother, who always had Vincent Ruwet stopping by.  They would share a drink or two during these visits.  But Ruwet, who was Dr. Frank Olson's boss, had been ordered by CIA Director Allen Dulles to keep an eye on her.  Here is the passage:

"All the time, Ruwet had been there for her, keeping her company. It later turned out that he had received orders from the C.I.A.'s director, Allen Dulles, to keep in touch with her."

Lisa was Eric's sister, and she, along with her husband and child, was killed in the crash of a small airplane. 

[golding76]

Trying to find more information on Greg Hayward, I came across the site below.  Oh how horrible things got for the family!  Poor Alice thought she had found a new love but he was more interested in her sons romantically than in her.  What horror these people had enter their lives because of an abuse of power.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ov-0BQAAQBAJ&pg=PT758&lpg=PT758&dq=greg+hayward+-+frederick+md&sou...

[golding76]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46PSzn6eYiM

Harold Weisberg on the topic of the Sen. Frank Church committee's JFK assassination report.  Love the cigarette.  Different times...

[suzyQ3]

The "we will never know because we're not supposed to know" is the hallmark of just about every conspiracy -- be the governent, the medical profession, etc.

I'm not saying that somewhere a conspiracy hasn't actually occurred, but IMO, the constant drumbeat is unwarranted and just promotes more distrust of said entity, which is very dangerous to our democracy.

Stuff happens sometimes. But we humans always attempt to connect the dots, refusing to believe in the random.

[golding76]

suzyQ3, please do not think I am picking on you.  You sound like you know your own mind, and we are all entitled to our opinion.  That I firmly believe.

But in the case of Dr. Frank Olson, the words expressed by the judge who ruled on the case that the still living Olson heirs brought against the CIA in 2012 do make one think, and think hard.  

Here is a brief article describing the case and the judge's ruling and comments.  I will boldface the words that make me cringe a bit.

A federal judge in Washington, DC has dismissed a lawsuit that alleged the CIA murdered one of its own agents in 1953 and then attempted to pass it off as a suicide.

Sixty years after the death of bioweapons expert Dr. Frank Olson, United States District Judge James E. Boasberg ruled last week that the family of the former Central Intelligence Agency specialist can’t sue the US government.

The family of Dr. Olson filed a lawsuit against the CIA in late 2012 accusing the agency of a clandestine murder that had made it a hot topic of discussing more than half a century after the fact. But while Judge Boasberg agrees that many of the allegations put forth by the Olson family are likely true — even while admittingly coming off as unbelievable — he ruled that an earlier settlement agreed upon by the scientist’s children and the sheer tardiness of the late suit have left him unable to allow the case to continue.

“[T]he public record supports many of the allegations that follow, farfetched as they may sound,” Boasberg began his ruling. Pages later, however, he wrote, “Concluding that most of the allegations are both untimely and waived by a prior settlement agreement, and that any timely or preserved claims fall outside of the United States’ waiver of sovereign immunity, the Court will grant the Government’s Motion” to dismiss.

Me: In other words, they have documentation proving that what the Olson family alleged -- as bizarre as it might seem -- was true.

[suzyQ3]

Hahaha, @golding76. I don't feel picked on at all. :-)

I'm really not familiar with the case that is the topic of your thread, but I will trust your source. My posts here are not related to that case but to the assassination.