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Coronavirus cases surge in Italy and Iran. Patient Zero unknown.

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Cases of COV-19 have surged in Italy, Iran and South Korea. Regions of Northern Italy are under lockdown while public health officials are scrambling to identify a patient zero. So far, none of the cases are linked to a case coming from China. CNN is reporting that:

 

"A team of health experts from the World Health Organization and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control have arrived in Italy, the site of Europe's biggest coronavirus outbreak.

The team will “support Italian authorities in understanding the situation,” the WHO said in a statement. Their focus will be on “limiting further human-to-human transmission,” it said.

“WHO experts are providing support in the areas of clinical management, infection prevention and control, surveillance and risk communication," the statement said.


The WHO said it is concerned over what it calls the “rapid” increase in reported cases in Italy. “However, it should also be noted that based on current data, in the majority of cases (4 out of every 5) people experience mild or no symptoms,” it added.

 

About coronavirus in Italy: Five people have died and at least 219 others have been infected with the virus in Italy, Angelo Borrelli, head of the country's Civil Protection agency, said at a Monday news conference.

The bulk of the cases — 167 of them — are in the northern region of Lombardy, whose capital is the city of Milan."

 

More data from CNN:

"There are now 229 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Italy, according to Italy's National Civil Protection Service. 

Here's the breakdown of where those cases are:

  • 172 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Lombardy
  • 33 in Veneto
  • 18 in Emilia-Romagna
  • 3 in Piedmont
  • 3 in Lazio

There are 101 hospitalized patients with symptoms and another 27 are in intensive care. At least 94 are in home isolation, officials said in a statement. Seven people have died from coronavirus in Italy."

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=33&ved=2ahUKEwjB_tLanevnAhVOaq0KHeGvBR...

 

That's about a 3% mortality rate among the known Italian cases. Very troubling. Higher than this season's flu mortality rate so far, .05% in U.S.  Looks like we could be on the verge of a pandemic, but we are not there yet. There are 800 confirmed cases in S. Korea as of this evening. We need to be focused on pandemic preparedness in all countries. Hospitals, even in developed countries, are under- equipped to handle any huge surge of cases. Other concerns: (1) People can spread the virus without having any symptoms. (2) If the virus gets into countries such as Afghanistan, with very poor healthcare systems, the number of cases can really soar. The good news is that a vaccine is coming. When it will be ready is still in question. 


Quoted from "Live Science":

🔶"So far this flu season, about 0.05% of people who caught the flu have died from the virus in the U.S., according to CDC data. 

 

🔶The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu. 

 

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. 🔶That's much higher than the death rate linked to flu, which is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. 🔶

 

Even so, the death rate for COVID-19 varied by location and an individual’s age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; 🔶it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to da"

 

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There is a lot of Chinese industry in Italy. It's an open secret that many "Italian Made" luxury goods are actually manufactured by Chinese sweatshops that are technically located in Italy. But these fly by night popup factories are non compliant with any safety, health, or labor codes and the workers are basically indentured, can't leave, don't speak the local language, and rely on their Chinese national employers to live.

 

Those would be prime locations for COVID-19 to spread. Anyplace that uses traffiked slave labor that is snuck into the country from an affected location, usually by boat, is at risk. I'd recommend everyone avoid illicit "massage parlors" for a while (if such a thing applies to anyone lol) as well.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-luxury-workshops/italian-police-uncover-naples-sweatshop-li...

 

https://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/luxury-fashion-brands-and-their-made-in-italy-accessories-at-the-...

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tusc...

 

Edited to add: https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005197/how-wenzhou%2C-900-km-from-wuhan%2C-went-into-total-lockdown

 

Wenzhou, the area where many of the Chinese workers in Italy were basically kidnapped from and their entrepreneur/owners are from is in lockdown now because the entrepreneurs travel a lot for their "businesses" and have brought the virus back there from Wuhan. We've been misled for a long time about where and what our actual vulnerabilities are.

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Re: Coronavirus cases surge in Italy an Iran. Patient Zero unknown.

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@Porcelain wrote:

There is a lot of Chinese industry in Italy. It's an open secret that many "Italian Made" luxury goods are actually manufactured by Chinese sweatshops that are technically located in Italy. But these fly by night popup factories are non compliant with any safety, health, or labor codes and the workers are basically indentured, can't leave, don't speak the local language, and rely on their Chinese national employers to live.

 

Those would be prime locations for COVID-19 to spread. Anyplace that uses traffiked slave labor that is snuck into the country from an affected location, usually by boat, is at risk. I'd recommend everyone avoid illicit "massage parlors" for a while (if such a thing applies to anyone lol) as well.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-luxury-workshops/italian-police-uncover-naples-sweatshop-li...

 

https://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/luxury-fashion-brands-and-their-made-in-italy-accessories-at-the-...


Good points @Porcelain. Now it's up to WHO to trace back to patient zero. They have to search for all cases in order to quarantine the sick. They have their work cut of for them with labor in Italy being as you described. How can they even trace back slave labor? Right now, Northern Italian states are on lock down. I don't think that traffickers will follow any of the Italian Government's mandates. The traffickers don't operate within the law. To them, a lockdown means nothing. 

The Los Angeles Times said:

"These days, the coveted “Made in Italy” label on those Prada bags and Gucci shoes, which can quadruple a price, may not mean what it used to.

Thousands of Tuscan factories that produce the region’s fabled leather goods are now operated and staffed by Chinese. Though located in one of Italy’s most picturesque and tourist-frequented regions, many of the factories are nothing more than sweatshops with deplorable conditions and virtually indentured workers.

Chinese laborers have become such an integral cog in the high-fashion wheel that large Chinatowns have sprung up here and in Florence. Signs in Chinese, Italian and sometimes English advertise pronto moda (ready-to-wear). At the main public hospital in Prato, the maternity ward on a recent morning was a cacophony of 40 squalling babies, 15 of them Chinese. “Mi chiamo Zhong Ti,” one of the crib tags said -- “My name is Zhong Ti.”https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwikhdD5revnAhVFV6wKHUGpCtE...

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Re: Coronavirus cases surge in Italy an Iran. Patient Zero unknown.

How safe is it to visit Italy after coronavirus outbreak?

 

Are there any parts of Italy to avoid?

The only no-go areas in Italy are a handful of small towns in northern Italy, where authorities have ordered a lockdown to help contain the virus.

 

Eleven towns are under quarantine, most in the north-western region of Lombardy where more than 160 cases of coronavirus have been confirmed so far.

 

Which parts of Italy are affected by coronavirus outbreak?

They are: Codogno; Castiglione d'Adda; Casalpusterlengo; Fombio; Maleo; Somaglia; Bertonico; Terranova dei Passerini; Castelgerundo; and San Fiorano.

 

Vo'Euganeo in the Veneto region has also been declared a 'red zone'.

 

In these towns, which have a combined population of around 50,000, police and military officers have set up checkpoints to control entries and exits. Residents have been told they need special authorization to leave until further notice.

 

Travellers should not attempt to visit any of the towns in isolation. And anyone who does enter is at risk of not being allowed to leave for up to several weeks.

 

How might the coronavirus outbreak affect my trip?

If you're arriving in Italy by plane, expect to have your temperature checked upon arrival – either by thermal scanners or with a thermometer.

 

And if you visit northern Italy in the next few weeks, you'll find that certain events have been cancelled and museums, theatres, cinemas, churches, libraries and other venues may be closed. 

 

 

read full article..

https://www.thelocal.it/20200224/should-i-cancel-my-trip-to-italy-because-of-the-coronavirus

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Re: Coronavirus cases surge in Italy and Iran. Patient Zero unknown.

If this virus reaches India and the African Continent, it will be catastrophic! 

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@MorningLover wrote:

How safe is it to visit Italy after coronavirus outbreak?

 

Are there any parts of Italy to avoid?

The only no-go areas in Italy are a handful of small towns in northern Italy, where authorities have ordered a lockdown to help contain the virus.

 

Eleven towns are under quarantine, most in the north-western region of Lombardy where more than 160 cases of coronavirus have been confirmed so far.

 

Which parts of Italy are affected by coronavirus outbreak?

They are: Codogno; Castiglione d'Adda; Casalpusterlengo; Fombio; Maleo; Somaglia; Bertonico; Terranova dei Passerini; Castelgerundo; and San Fiorano.

 

Vo'Euganeo in the Veneto region has also been declared a 'red zone'.

 

In these towns, which have a combined population of around 50,000, police and military officers have set up checkpoints to control entries and exits. Residents have been told they need special authorization to leave until further notice.

 

Travellers should not attempt to visit any of the towns in isolation. And anyone who does enter is at risk of not being allowed to leave for up to several weeks.

 

How might the coronavirus outbreak affect my trip?

If you're arriving in Italy by plane, expect to have your temperature checked upon arrival – either by thermal scanners or with a thermometer.

 

And if you visit northern Italy in the next few weeks, you'll find that certain events have been cancelled and museums, theatres, cinemas, churches, libraries and other venues may be closed. 

 

 

read full article..

https://www.thelocal.it/20200224/should-i-cancel-my-trip-to-italy-because-of-the-coronavirus


This Italian outbreak is not contained yet. I'd stay away until there's some semblance of control. This development is too new to properly evaluate any risk to travelers. None knows how many more cases are brewing.

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Re: Coronavirus cases surge in Italy an Iran. Patient Zero unknown.

Our local news recommended keeping a months supply of food and water for your family....in case panic becomes a problem even if the virus doesn’t spread here. Just like the stock market today...the plunge was due to panic rather than a true pandemic...but anticipation alone drives the market.

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@lovesrecess wrote:
Our local news recommended keeping a months supply of food and water for your family....in case panic becomes a problem even if the virus doesn’t spread here. Just like the stock market today...the plunge was due to panic rather than a true pandemic...but anticipation alone drives the market.


It's not a bad idea to do this even if there isn't a panic or a virus. You never know when a weather event or a natural event could happen. Don't forget toilet paper, garbage bags, flashlight, batteries, aspirin, Tylenol, your RXs, laundry detergent, Chlorox, a car charger for your phone

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i heard some troops will be going soon to Iran. this is not good to hear!

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Re: Coronavirus cases surge in Italy and Iran. Patient Zero unknown.

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@JaneMarple wrote:

If this virus reaches India and the African Continent, it will be catastrophic! 


@JaneMarple 

That's what Bill Gates was recently saying about Sub-Saharan Africa.

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