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Re: College Entrance Cheating Scandal - OMG!

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Glad to see these people were exposed, listed and named!   Indictments for all of them, lets see if they can $$buy$$ their way out of this through their lawyers!  Indictments are also available online for viewing.

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Re: College Entrance Cheating Scandal - OMG!


@icezeus wrote:

I am not surprised. I am sure that this has been going on for many, many years and not just with Hollywood parents. Money in our society buys access, and the rules are different. We See examples of this constantly.  Anyone who thinks differently is delusional.


@icezeus . You are 100% correct. Many wealthy people think the rules don’t apply to them. The only reason you’re hearing about this is because most people recognize the names. There is a whole lot going on these days by unscrupulous people with money.

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What I find sad are the students that did not received a Crew scholarship because of those that cheated, or the students that did not prosper albeit working hard and studying because of those that gamed the system. A cynic would call them collateral damage.

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

What's sad to me is the message these parents sent to their kids...."we have no confidence in you to be able to get into college on your own so we'll just have to break the law to buy your way in".


Sadder to me is that the message they are sending their kids is "someone else deserves this spot more than you do but we'll lie and cheat to get you in instead".

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@bikerbabe wrote:
If someone is currently a professional athlete I don’t think they were a fake athlete in college. LOL. They are plenty of cheating scandals but one like this that involves wealthy parents is not your typical NFL player.

@bikerbabe 

I totally agree to be a top notch NFL player, skill is required,

but there are many athletes out there who are part of the team

who we don’t know.  Just seems odd University of Texas is

one of the colleges mentioned...and they are heavy in sports. 

And lots of those kids go on to pro sports.

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@Icegoddess wrote:

An Alan Dershowitz commentary mentioned some points:

This is not about the Ultra-wealthy.  The Ultra-wealthy just buy buildings for the college. This is about the just wealthy who can't afford to buy buildings, but can afford 5 or 6 million to get their kids into college.  And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Also, he mentioned this as being a problem started by colleges no longer grading students.  Whether this is true or not I have no idea since I don't have a child in an elite college.  However, if this isn't true it would seem these kids would end up flunking out if they didn't really have the education to actually get in.  And who wants to have their kids flunking out even if it is an elite college.  I'd certainly rather have my child graduate an average college with good grades than have them flunk out of an elite college.

 

But, if it is true, I'm wondering why a college that doesn't grade their students would require an ACT/SAT test to get in.  Also, how in the world does an elite college remain an elite college with no grades?


If they can buy their way in, they can probably buy their grades.

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@sidsmom wrote:

@ID2 wrote:

Celebrities and the elite always seem to think that they are above the law.


Naw.

The fingers of illegal behavior go FAR over ‘celebrities’ & ‘elite’.


Yes, but it's the "celebrities and elite" who are constantly lecturing the rest of us about morality.  

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

@sidsmom wrote:

@ID2 wrote:

Celebrities and the elite always seem to think that they are above the law.


Naw.

The fingers of illegal behavior go FAR over ‘celebrities’ & ‘elite’.


Yes, but it's the "celebrities and elite" who are constantly lecturing the rest of us about morality.  


Huh?  Maybe your World, but not mine.

They have opinions just like anyone else.

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@Icegoddess wrote:

An Alan Dershowitz commentary mentioned some points:

This is not about the Ultra-wealthy.  The Ultra-wealthy just buy buildings for the college. This is about the just wealthy who can't afford to buy buildings, but can afford 5 or 6 million to get their kids into college.  And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Also, he mentioned this as being a problem started by colleges no longer grading students.  Whether this is true or not I have no idea since I don't have a child in an elite college.  However, if this isn't true it would seem these kids would end up flunking out if they didn't really have the education to actually get in.  And who wants to have their kids flunking out even if it is an elite college.  I'd certainly rather have my child graduate an average college with good grades than have them flunk out of an elite college.

 

But, if it is true, I'm wondering why a college that doesn't grade their students would require an ACT/SAT test to get in.  Also, how in the world does an elite college remain an elite college with no grades?

 

 

@Icegoddess A college isn't considered "elite" due to it's grades; it's elite due to its Who's Who and the persona that society has placed upon it. Essentially: "Who" is currently enrolled, "who" graduated, "who" went on to become famous and how much "they" donated back to the college. It's the "WE can attend but YOU can't" that has made colleges (and high schools) considered "elite" since the days of formal education.