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04-05-2025 06:27 PM
I was in a tornado as a child and have had PTSD all my life from it. I just didn't know that's what I had until about 10 or 15 years ago.
04-05-2025 07:05 PM
Hi @Nonametoday ![]()
Thank you for sharing all your extensive Rose knowledge. So mesmurizing! Love flowers, plants, & Roses.
Given all your Tornado vulnerabiilty, do you happen to be live near any fracking at all? Just wondering.
04-05-2025 07:06 PM
@Nonametoday I had a Camelot Rose for the longest time, & it too eventually died. Couldnt find another one. LOVED that Camelot Rose & Bush!!
04-05-2025 07:12 PM
Hi @monicakm I dont know if this is feasible, but I was able to diddle with my earliest of cars, & experiment, at an empty Shopping Store, Mall Parking Lot. Incl trickly parking, or new features of the car. Maybe you can test out some of your extraordinary car features there, (just be mindful of the poles)! heh
04-05-2025 07:21 PM
So glad that you made it home safely! But you didn't mention why you were out driving around with such bad weather predicted. Was there an emergency?
04-05-2025 08:53 PM
@Nonametoday wrote:
@Tanya89 wrote:Environmental stress (like crazy Texas weather), inconsistent fertilizing, or even pruning habits can impact color variety.
Might be worth checking if it’s reverted or if it just needs a bit of TLC to bring the color show back
It hasn't lost its graft. That is exactly what every Joseph Coat looks like in every garden I have ever appraised or every nursery I have ever seen them in bloom. If it lost its graft it would be rose multiflora, white; Dr. Huey, red; rose Fortuniana white or yellow. Fortuniana is what Lady Banks is except she is thornless and regular Fortuniana has thorns.
@Nonametoday I don't know much about roses, but sounds like you do. I am not sure who I am responding to, but they might have answered a 10 year old question for me. My beloved MIL had a deep scarlet rose tree in front yard. Not only was it deep, the leaves were like thick velvet, it had aroma, and it was a large, perfectly formed rose. When she passed over ten years ago, we dug up. It was not blooming yet, but not dormant. We did this wide, and carefully. Got home. Planted by the book. But it grew into small pink roses, and later..palest pink cabbage roses. We still have it. It a small potted bush now. lol. I think grafts fell off off?
04-05-2025 08:56 PM
@JoyFilled Warrior wrote:Hi @Nonametoday
Thank you for sharing all your extensive Rose knowledge. So mesmurizing! Love flowers, plants, & Roses.
Given all your Tornado vulnerabiilty, do you happen to be live near any fracking at all? Just wondering.
@JoyFilled Warrior Who was it who shared this rose knowledge, wow is all I can say? Tansy or Nonametoday?
04-05-2025 09:01 PM
@JoyFilled Warrior wrote:@Nonametoday I had a Camelot Rose for the longest time, & it too eventually died. Couldnt find another one. LOVED that Camelot Rose & Bush!!
There is a climber named Camelot that was hybridized by the Meilland family of roses. It is purported to be a good, healthy rose and won many awards in Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. It lists no dealer for it in the USA and right now, it is so hard to obtain roses from other countries. I had to buy them through people I knew and had to have them investigated by the county department and keep them under quarantine for 2 years before I could plant them in my garden.
I think you might like Mme Isaac Pereire if it is available. They look very much alike and she is also a healthy rose in most states. I got mine at Antique Rose Emporium in Texas. I see they no longer carry it but they have its sport (one that stabilized from a rose that was different from the parent on a branch and became a rose on its own), Madame Ernest Calvat. If you look at ARE, there are a couple you might like: Zephrine Drouhin and Madame Ernest Calvat. I think they are both listed under bourbons.
04-05-2025 09:06 PM
No, I don't live near any fracking but a friend who lived in Texas and worked for the oil fields as a geologist tells me I live on a fault line that runs all the way to Kentucky. My family were from Tyler, Texas. My grandmother kept a diary and she wrote about the tornadoes in Texas and wanted to move back to her homeland. They moved to Georgia only to find that tornadoes also had found them there. That was in the turn of the 19th-20th century.
04-05-2025 09:12 PM
@shoekitty wrote:
@Nonametoday wrote:
@Tanya89 wrote:Environmental stress (like crazy Texas weather), inconsistent fertilizing, or even pruning habits can impact color variety.
Might be worth checking if it’s reverted or if it just needs a bit of TLC to bring the color show back
It hasn't lost its graft. That is exactly what every Joseph Coat looks like in every garden I have ever appraised or every nursery I have ever seen them in bloom. If it lost its graft it would be rose multiflora, white; Dr. Huey, red; rose Fortuniana white or yellow. Fortuniana is what Lady Banks is except she is thornless and regular Fortuniana has thorns.
@Nonametoday I don't know much about roses, but sounds like you do. I am not sure who I am responding to, but they might have answered a 10 year old question for me. My beloved MIL had a deep scarlet rose tree in front yard. Not only was it deep, the leaves were like thick velvet, it had aroma, and it was a large, perfectly formed rose. When she passed over ten years ago, we dug up. It was not blooming yet, but not dormant. We did this wide, and carefully. Got home. Planted by the book. But it grew into small pink roses, and later..palest pink cabbage roses. We still have it. It a small potted bush now. lol. I think grafts fell off off?
I think it lost its graft. Sometimes replanting and repotting can do that as well as planting them below the graft line or a hard freeze coming and it kills the graft. That is why if I can I buy own-root roses, those without grafts. When I first started growing roses, Jackson & Perkins and the other large rose dealers did not deal in own-root roses. They only did budding on Dr. Huey, a red rose. When the rose would lose its graft, everybody who owned them had a Dr. Huey, a red rose, not very prolific or cup like but a red rose nonetheless.
Some of the rosegrowers in Florida, Mississippi and Lousiana are budding on Rose Fortuniana which is more stable for sandy areas like in Florida and along the rivers in Mississippi and Louisiana but if I can I prefer growing own root. I don't want to have a pretty pink rose and it have red blooms on one side and pink on the other. Rose Fortuniana is a pretty little white rose but in my area we have lots of clay and they would lose their graft.
So for those reasons, I much prefer own root. They come to you very small but once they reach 3 years, they grow like crazy if you care for them and then they never lose the rose you were searching for and bought.
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