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[Mominohio]

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@cherrywrote:

What you call squirrel talk, is one mans attempt to protect childen, while everyone else looks away ,and does nothing at all...How many more times will this happen, before  people  feel  enough  shame to do something?

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The shame is constatly claiming that nothing is being done. The results aren't what anyone wants yet, but things are being done and there are lots of approaches to this. 

The shame should be felt by those that are simply accusing that no one is doing anything. 

Maybe enough people aren't doing all that is within their power, but the emotional hand wringing and cries of 'everyone else looks away' is just school girl drama and adds nothing to the real conversation of what can be done, what is being done, and what yet needs to be done.

[Mominohio]

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@Carmiewrote:

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@cherrywrote:

Thought and prayers are all well and good, but it is long past time for talking  ,we need action..How many more children have to die while people are discussing things?

Carmie  is able to take care of herself. I have heard it many times before...I am not stupid

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Yes, I am able to take care of my self..mostly because I have common sense and I am not ruled by emotion.  The best way to protect children is to keep guns and other weapons out of the schools...period.

The schools in my area keep all exterior doors locked at all times.  The classrooms are locked at all times too.  Only the teacher has the key.  The doors must be locked when empty and when students are in them.

The students  are not allowed to carry backpacks or large tote bags in the classes.  They must be kept in the lockers.  

The schools practice lock down drills fairly often.  They are taught how to keep calm and hide when an intruder is  inside of the building and those outside trying to gain access. They are taught how and where to go,  turn off lights, not to open doors to let anyone in even if they know that person, etc.

These procedures do keep kids safe.  But, when a student is the person with a gun or knife hidden in their pocket or under their shirt, they can do damage because of the element of surprise.

The students in FL that were recently attacked were not protected by their school.  The intruder walked right in..why weren’t the doors locked?  There was a whole lot of errors there that exposed those kids needlessly.

The chances of kids getting getting killed by a school intruder is pretty low.  It doesn’t happen often, thank God, but when it does happen it creates high emotions.  

As I said before, the number one killer of kids and teens is a car accident.  33% of car accidents involving teens is alcohol related and they happen more often between the months of April and June...prom and graduation time.

it would be more prudent to stress no drinking and driving, no texting and driving and no exceeding the speed limit and wear your seal belt  than arming kids with a bucket of river rocks.  It would certainly save more lives.

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@Carmie

You are wasting your breath with all these facts. Some people only want to shed tears, scream for justice, and lead us to believe not only is nothing  being done but we as a nation are reveling in this happening.

The school system in FL failed these kids first and foremost in their security procedures and practices.

The agencies that had this guy on radar failed him. 

And indeed, more kids are going to be killed in cars this spring season with texting and driving, drinking and driving and reckless driving, but I don't see any marches on Washington about that. 

[Mominohio]

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@cherrywrote:

Just what else is available to this man?  How would the rest of you protect these kids?  Would you rather just set back and do nothing?  Just hope it never happens, and if it should...????  I couldn't live with that, and it sounds like ,neither could he.  He most likely knows it won't work, but is willing to go againts all odds ,to protect these kids

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How about do what he can in his building(s) to enforce lockdowns, monitor cameras more closely, have staff patrolling hallways on their free periods. How about involving parents to be in the building as volunteers. More eyes and ears to see and hear something. How about building better rapport between staff and students so they are aware when a student may be headed off the rails and intervene.

You keep asking the same thing over and over, what else can he do? There is a lot he can do. I'm not saying he isn't doing it ( I have no idea) but if the buckets of rocks are his main achievement, he's over paid and should be out of work. 

[Mominohio]

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@GingerPeachwrote:

You asked for quotes in another thread, @cherry.

You're not going to change the opinions of those who you say want to continue the status quo (at least that's what I think you'e saying).

And @suzyQ3 is right that many of us care.  That's why this subject is so charged.  I believe there are more who want change and improvement and better conditions than there are those who want it unchanged. 

So here's another quote for the collection:

”If you [we] work really hard and you're [we're] kind, amazing things will happen.”
-- Conan O'Brien

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It has been ridiculous throughout this thread to keep insisting that no one cares and no one is doing anything.

We don't all agree as to exactly how to stop this, but to continually insist that just about anyone in this country is fine with this happening, doesn't care, has no ideas to contribute (better than a bucket of rocks) is simply crazed hysteria, and not only solves nothing, it makes the problem worse. 

I refuse to sit and say there are no solutions and no one cares. I may not agree with other posters as to what the best solutions might be, what will garner the best results, or even what is more important, our rights or our lives (think about our founding, a lot of very smart people put liberty over life), but to constantly cry 'there is no hope' helps no one, and fixes nothing.

[Mominohio]

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@Soonerwrote:

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@cherrywrote:

The only better, is funding for  decent  school security ,and  laws about selling semi automatic weapons to people not in law enforcement...

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You can't stop people from getting weapons--automatic or otherwise.  You have to figure out how to protect from them,how to identify potential situations and violent people, and why our children are prone to violence.

We can play like there is this simple answer but there really isn't.  What so many people are advocating isn't really getting at the heart of the problem at all.  It won't change much.

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This is what people don't want to believe or understand. You will never stop the guns. You can make them all illegal, but you won't stop them. 

But if more focus, money, marching, and wailing was put on security, mental health, bullying, awareness, reporting and FOLLOWING UP ON THAT REPORTING (which totally failed here), we would make a bigger impact on the problem. 

[inallsincerity]

@cherry, I'm only posting because I don't want you to think you are an "army of one". I am in agreement with you. There have been many many proactive solutions offered. However, today, at this moment, they aren't necessarily being implemented yet. Although I have hope that yesterday's march may get the ball rolling. In the meantime, this man has offered a last resort option to use "during" an attack. No, it most likely will not work. However, if people are encouraged, not mocked for their ideas, somebody may come up with something for these kids to do to save their lives "during" an attack. Run. Hide. Fight.

[smb3]

What schools have to focus on is the security of their schools.  Only the main entrance should be open with a buzz-in to the front office.  This is done in most schools.  All exterior entrance doors have to be locked at all times.  I recently walked into a local elementary school in a big district and I walked right in. This is a big problem! How do you think the Florida shooter entered the school? He was not a current student, so he should not of been allowed into the school. There must of been a breech of security somewhere at that school. The other main focus should be metal detectors and/or security guards at all schools, or at least at all high schools. I do not think teachers will ever agree to be armed and we only have so much that can be done.  

[ValentinaBon]

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@Mominohiowrote:

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@Soonerwrote:

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@cherrywrote:

The only better, is funding for  decent  school security ,and  laws about selling semi automatic weapons to people not in law enforcement...

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You can't stop people from getting weapons--automatic or otherwise.  You have to figure out how to protect from them,how to identify potential situations and violent people, and why our children are prone to violence.

We can play like there is this simple answer but there really isn't.  What so many people are advocating isn't really getting at the heart of the problem at all.  It won't change much.

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This is what people don't want to believe or understand. You will never stop the guns. You can make them all illegal, but you won't stop them. 

But if more focus, money, marching, and wailing was put on security, mental health, bullying, awareness, reporting and FOLLOWING UP ON THAT REPORTING (which totally failed here), we would make a bigger impact on the problem. 

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YES, this! A gazillion hearts.

[tansy]

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@ValentinaBonwrote:

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@Mominohiowrote:

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@Soonerwrote:

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@cherrywrote:

The only better, is funding for  decent  school security ,and  laws about selling semi automatic weapons to people not in law enforcement...

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You can't stop people from getting weapons--automatic or otherwise.  You have to figure out how to protect from them,how to identify potential situations and violent people, and why our children are prone to violence.

We can play like there is this simple answer but there really isn't.  What so many people are advocating isn't really getting at the heart of the problem at all.  It won't change much.

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This is what people don't want to believe or understand. You will never stop the guns. You can make them all illegal, but you won't stop them. 

But if more focus, money, marching, and wailing was put on security, mental health, bullying, awareness, reporting and FOLLOWING UP ON THAT REPORTING (which totally failed here), we would make a bigger impact on the problem. 

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YES, this! A gazillion hearts.

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Why is this far and away an American problem?  

[Mominohio]

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@tansywrote:

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@ValentinaBonwrote:

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@Mominohiowrote:

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@Soonerwrote:

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@cherrywrote:

The only better, is funding for  decent  school security ,and  laws about selling semi automatic weapons to people not in law enforcement...

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You can't stop people from getting weapons--automatic or otherwise.  You have to figure out how to protect from them,how to identify potential situations and violent people, and why our children are prone to violence.

We can play like there is this simple answer but there really isn't.  What so many people are advocating isn't really getting at the heart of the problem at all.  It won't change much.

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This is what people don't want to believe or understand. You will never stop the guns. You can make them all illegal, but you won't stop them. 

But if more focus, money, marching, and wailing was put on security, mental health, bullying, awareness, reporting and FOLLOWING UP ON THAT REPORTING (which totally failed here), we would make a bigger impact on the problem. 

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YES, this! A gazillion hearts.

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Why is this far and away an American problem?  

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Maybe because all the things I mentioned are not being done well enough here, but are being done better in other places? 

Maybe because we tend to isolate here, and in other places they feel more a sense of community?

Maybe because we don't address mental health here in as extensive a manner as in other places? 

Maybe because in some places certain things aren't reported the same as here, and we are comparing apples to oranges?

Maybe because we have a much more diverse population here than many other places do, which can lead to misunderstanding and intolerance and make people feel the need to lash out in ways like this? 

I can pretty much guess what you think the reason is, but rarely is something happening for one single isolated reason. 

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And maybe because some places have stricter punishments for crimes and people are unable/unavailable to re offend.