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[FLgardener]

@SeaMaiden ,

What I take great issue with is that we humans, for the most part, don't want to take care of our earth and our universe.

There is some kind of well-meaning (I hope), overwhelming pounding of the message that we humans are destroying this earth.

This derogatory message actually undermines the fact that most of us indeed want to keep our nest clean.

[Porcelain]

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@FLgardener wrote:

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@Porcelain wrote:

Stressing people out about the climate isn't going to convince those who don't want to hear about it. If they don't want to recycle or conserve anything, that's fine. The rest of us can still do it. We can do our thing and leave them alone.

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I have conserved and re-purposed all my life. It is a natural instinct for me to take care of this earth, which is my beloved home.

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I think that is beautiful. And I think many of us share your caring for the Earth. The people who don't care and don't want to listen are really the outliers. We outnumber them by far, even if it doesn't seem that way sometimes.

Many of them have so much on their minds that they don't have room to think about any concerns that aren't right in front of them. Talking to them about hardships that could/will happen in the future if we don't act now--can sound very much like the worry voice we all already have in our heads: That panicky voice that always scares us about the future. The panicky voice often states things as facts too.

The best way, in my opinion, to help would be to demonstrate compassion and patience, and not put even more pressure on those who don't want to listen. Personally, unless it is an accute limited duration emergency, I don't want anyone's help unless it is happily and freely given from a positive intention. Doing anything out of fear or frustration just boomerangs back on the giver. I don't believe the Earth wants that either for or from her beloved children.

This is a long haul issue with many moving parts. Solutions need to be simple and positive and fun to be sustainable. There is so much we can do to make that happen. I admire your caring spirit.

[this is my nic]

There's a very important book that everyone should read;  it's title is "One Second After".  It's fiction, but it describes something that is entirely possible, yet no one seems to be concerned.  The plot is about what happens to our society when the power system fails nationwide and doesn't come back on.  This can actually happen in 2 ways.  

The first cause is when there are very powerful solar storms.  This took place in Canada several years ago.  Because the solar storms weren't large enough to cause nationwide blackouts, it affected only one area of the country.  

The second cause is if a nuclear weapon is detonated above the atmosphere.  That would cause widespread power failure.  The power lines, and all electronics get fried.  If several devices are detonated across the country, the entire country is affected.  Nothing works, not even cars and trucks. 

There is a way to insure our power and electronics stay up and functioning.  It's called "hardening" and is relatively inexpensive to accomplish.  Unfortunately, almost no one is concerned about this very possible disaster.  

Read the book! 

[this is my nic]

Interesting topic.  

One thing that's being done and has been for a long time is polluting our soil and ground water.  No one seems to care.  I'm referring to disposable diapers.  They are discarded into landfills by the tons on a daily basis, unfortunately landfills are not the proper place to deposit human excrement.   The soiled diapers should be rinsed in a toilet before discarding so sewage treatment plants can take care of the excrement.  No one seems to do this. 

I used cloth diapers on my babies, at one time I had 2 in diapers at the same time.  We rinsed the soiled diapers in the toilet, placed them in a diaper pail containing chlorine bleach and water.  They were then washed on a daily basis.    We didn't have a dryer, so we used an indoor drying rack.  

My children survived cloth diapers and so did we. I don't know why people insist on the use of polluting disposables. Yes, I know day care centers demand the use of disposable diapers.  If disposables are used they should at least be taken care of properly. 

[suzyQ3]

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@FLgardener wrote:

@SeaMaiden ,

What I take great issue with is that we humans, for the most part, don't want to take care of our earth and our universe.

There is some kind of well-meaning (I hope), overwhelming pounding of the message that we humans are destroying this earth.

This derogatory message actually undermines the fact that most of us indeed want to keep our nest clean.

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@FLgardener, yes, but what matters far more than what most of us want is that TPTB accept the science and work on solutions.

Without that, we are left with only modest acts of protection. We need much more serious attention.

[SeaMaiden]

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@FLgardener wrote:

@SeaMaiden ,

What I take great issue with is that we humans, for the most part, don't want to take care of our earth and our universe.

There is some kind of well-meaning (I hope), overwhelming pounding of the message that we humans are destroying this earth.

This derogatory message actually undermines the fact that most of us indeed want to keep our nest clean.

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I did not know that the universe was in danger because of “us”

[shoekitty]

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@FLgardener wrote:

@Snowpuppy --

Yeah, copy that. Glaciers do what glaciers are supposed to do--slide off into the sea and then replenish themselves. I remember when we were bombarded with videos of polar bears stranded on ice floes. Now, that has been debunked by the knowledge that polar bears are excellent swimmers. 

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Shoekitty said

@FLgardener   Seems like your mind was already made up, before you ever posted

[chrystaltree]

You are over simplifying it.  The things we experience in out teeny tiny little lives don't determine anything.  our lives are just a snap shot in time.   When scientists make predictions, they look at the big picture.  They look at events and changes that span decades and centuries.  It's incredibly naive and like that ostritch with his head in the sand to think that human activity and the use of fossil fuels has not had an effect on the planet.  We're ravishing the planet.  However, I think that while we are altering the planet in ways that are harmful to humans and to many species of animals, the planet will be just fine.  We aren't really harming the planet because after humans are gone, the planet will heal itself.  It's not about saving the planet, it's about saving ourselves.   

[TY]

I do wonder about that myself. For example, if the dinosaurs didn't die out due to a chance big meteor strike and the disasterous consequences of that, mammals wouldn't have likely become the prominent species and humans wouldn't exist today.

[this is my nic]

Hmmm, no response to the post about dirty disposable diapers contaminating our soil and ground water.  This is something that can easily be fixed, but people don't want their lives impacted.   I guess everyone would just rather complain and worry about things we can't change by ourselves, wanting BIG government to fix things.