COVID stats fishy - Page 7

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@sydsgma1 wrote:
I have a strong background in statistics and I would negate what is being reported around the country as being legitimate. Ststistically the reports make sense.

Continued masking, social distancing and vaccination are going to make a big difference,

I know what you meant here, @sydsgma1, but at first reading, I read the above bolded part as saying the opposite.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Mz iMac · ‎07-26-2014

@caroln242 "I don't know one single person in my county who's had it. It seems I would have heard of someone I know, or at least know of, who's had it."

Medical info is private by law. Cannot be released w/o the person's written permission.

There are folks who treat a known COVID infected person who has recovered like a "scarlet letter" was plastered on their forehead. In this case the letter "C."

"Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

geezerette · ‎03-16-2010

@Mz iMac wrote:
@caroln242 "I don't know one single person in my county who's had it. It seems I would have heard of someone I know, or at least know of, who's had it."
Medical info is private by law. Cannot be released w/o the person's written permission.
There are folks who treat a known COVID infected person who has recovered like a "scarlet letter" was plastered on their forehead. In this case the letter "C."

@Mz iMac

The head of our state health department was asked by the press about the one known variant case in our state. Where was it, had the person traveled out of state, etc.

The doctor said he couldn't answer any questions about it due to privacy laws, other than to say there is one case in the state.

eadu4 · ‎06-14-2011

@suzyQ3 That's the thing, I'm respectfully neither denying or agreeing. Since there is no way to accurately prove either side conclusively without knowing the parameters for each and every statistic that was counted. And I can't blindly accept numbers where no one can show me exactly how each state, county, city, town, hospital, clinic, test site, doctor's office, morgue counted each occurance or outcome. There is just too much risk for inaccuracy.

pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@eadu4 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten Can you prove they weren't? It works both ways and that proves that things are sketchy. No one can prove one way or the other. Yeah the flu counts are almost none existent according to the "numbers" How did that even happen? Because even with masks, distancing, and sanitizer millions got Covid, why not the flu? So how did flu just disappear? There was no national standard for analyzing/sorting the data and keeping the results from any corruption. So since towns, counties, cities, states pretty much had a chance to interpret what they called what that leaves a wide space for how things were counted especially in the beginning months. We will never know how hospitals, doctor's offices, clinics, testing centers, even mortuaries, etc compiled and sent in their data. There is no one out there that can completely certify all the data is accurate. I am not denying anyone died. I am in no way denying anyone got sick. I do question how all these statistics that people want to use to substantiate their position are complied. And I question the accuracy of all the test results. I find very few if any "gold standards" of facts anymore. I take everything with a grain of salt.

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@eadu4, yes, we do have a really good idea of how the data is collected and reported. Period. Furthermore, mortuaries in terms of coronavirus have not been testing so they would not be submitting data of any kind in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

I don't know of any doctor's office or a clinic that is providing covid-19 screening. For the most part, they want to keep their spaces as covid free as possible to deliver the safest care for their patients that are coming in to be seen.

Standard point of care to date for most has been if you think you might be sick, call your doctor, or report to a testing center. If you call your doctor they usually refer you to one of the testing centers. That is where they are administering the test. Doctor's also don't want to spend the money on testing supplies, PPE for their staff, and then pay for runner services to deliver the sample to the appropriate center to be run. Pretty much the same with clinics.

So the testing centers & hospitals in the states are the ones administering the tests. Then each state has a reporting hub via software that they enter the patient information and either positive or negative results.

Each state has its own system of verifying if any of those positives are repeat from anytime recently and if so, they are then put in a category of "duplicate" and are removed from the data. That is why numbers can change at times.

But it isn't any secret as to how they test and the results are entered into the state computer system.

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pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@eadu4 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten Can you prove they weren't? It works both ways and that proves that things are sketchy. No one can prove one way or the other. Yeah the flu counts are almost none existent according to the "numbers" How did that even happen? Because even with masks, distancing, and sanitizer millions got Covid, why not the flu? So how did flu just disappear? There was no national standard for analyzing/sorting the data and keeping the results from any corruption. So since towns, counties, cities, states pretty much had a chance to interpret what they called what that leaves a wide space for how things were counted especially in the beginning months. We will never know how hospitals, doctor's offices, clinics, testing centers, even mortuaries, etc compiled and sent in their data. There is no one out there that can completely certify all the data is accurate. I am not denying anyone died. I am in no way denying anyone got sick. I do question how all these statistics that people want to use to substantiate their position are complied. And I question the accuracy of all the test results. I find very few if any "gold standards" of facts anymore. I take everything with a grain of salt.

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@eadu4, there are a plethora of reasons of why the number of identified flu cases may be very low. One is that someone that is experiencing symptoms reports to a testing center to be tested for covid-19. They test negative but then do not seek any further medical care. Therefore, they never see any type of a health care provider for that health care provider to test for influenza. Pretty simple there.

Another reason is that we have known for quite some time that young children are a fairly significant vector in terms of passing influenza along to adults. They contract it in school then pass it on to their parents, etc. Across the country there are all kinds of school systems that are not conducting in person classes and more that even though they are doing in person classes they have a hybrid model of some days virtual other days in person. When they are in the classroom, distancing, masking, and the use of hand sanitizer is enforced.

Take the young children out of the equation for transmission of influenza & you have also taken measures to reduce cases of influenza.

There are multiple other circumstances and it is probably a combination of all of them that has resulted in a very low reporting of influenza activity.

ETA: forgot to mention that most long term care facilities restricted visitation so therefore someone contagious with influenza was not coming to visit their loved one or acquaintance. That also cuts down on viral transmission since long term care facilities will generally see influenza activity spread throughout their facility at times.

So no visitors along with all staff required to wear masks, and other mitigation factors long term care facilities put in place with eliminating group activities, etc. That would certainly suppress normal influenza activity normally seen in this country.

This past fall we also saw increased numbers of individuals taking the flu vaccination.

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eadu4 · ‎06-14-2011

@pitdakota And I respect your reply but again you are assuming everyone did it the same way. But you cannot possibly know every site that contributed data to the pool of statistics. You are assuming that they all did it accurately and all to the same standards and parameters and everything was correctly sorted and complied and counted into the correct outcomes and occurances. And since each state has their own system of verifying positives again that leaves room for inaccuracy. I'm not stating that every entry is wrong. I am just doubtful that all the statistics are in fact accurate. I am not even saying that any of the inaccuracies were done "on purpose" either. Merely that the plus or minus involved in the reporting through this whole thing has been open to inaccuracies.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.
When people don't want you questioning things....they have something to hide.
What exactly do you think people are hiding? I could post the names of those I personally know that have died from covid. But then you would question what else was wrong with them. Was it really covid or something else? Some want to question constantly because they don't want to believe.

No matter what I say, it will not matter to you so have a good day.

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pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@eadu4 wrote:
@pitdakota And I respect your reply but again you are assuming everyone did it the same way. But you cannot possibly know every site that contributed data to the pool of statistics. You are assuming that they all did it accurately and all to the same standards and parameters and everything was correctly sorted and complied and counted into the correct outcomes and occurances. And since each state has their own system of verifying positives again that leaves room for inaccuracy. I'm not stating that every entry is wrong. I am just doubtful that all the statistics are in fact accurate. I am not even saying that any of the inaccuracies were done "on purpose" either. Merely that the plus or minus involved in the reporting through this whole thing has been open to inaccuracies.

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@eadu4, I am not assuming anything. I know how it is supposed to go. Are there operator errors that occur? Absolutely. In mass quanities, day after day that impact the overall accuracy of data? No.

And no, states do not have their own system for verifying positive tests. The state has nothing to do with setting requirements for what counts as a positive or a negative test.

ETA: the speicifc lab performs the test and uploads the data from there.

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Lali1 · ‎08-21-2014

@liliblu wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.

The questions always seem to cast doubt on how serious the pandemic is. Every country in the world has been effected by the pandemic. But some think there is a conspiracy to up the number of cases.

Just questions. How you look at them is your issue. We are still allowed to ask questions in this country. If you want to believe things without questioning so be it. Don't dare say I have no right to ask the questions and then lie about my motives!