COVID stats fishy - Page 8

Tinkrbl44 · ‎08-23-2010

@millieshops wrote:
@caroln242 I can't speak for the accuracy of the overall stats. but consider yourself lucky not to know anyone who has had Covid. I do think it's quite possible you personally don't know anyone yourself. Of the thousands of cases reported, do keep in mind many of those "victims" are barely victims - they didn't know they had the disease except that a test showed its presence or the antibodies that are pre4sent afterwards.

Further, some of us know more of what I call the real victims than we wish; those are the victims who died, the victims who became very ill and reported symptoms far beyond the usual flu yet they did recover, the victims who suffered and continue to suffer aftereffects that don't go away after weeks or months.

Although I know two or more victims in each of the categories I mentioned and am very cautious, I still try to put all the statistics into a framework that makes sense for me -- and that means I take the numbers and make them into percentages. Do that, know that some true victims are in those numbers but the suffering is so random lots of people don't know any victims -- and hope you remain one of the lucky.

@millieshops @caroln242

I personally knew THREE people who died of covid.

I know that sometimes cause of death is updated, as more information is verified, so, yes, the numbers DO change.

What is unclear is how many people died of covid as the "predominant issue" .... if someone is getting chemo for cancer treatment, and then gets covid and dies, which did they actually die of?

Most people have other issues, whether chronic, hereditary, allergies & sensitivities or recent health developments. If covid is a "contributing factor" to someone's death, it certainly can't be ignored.

I doubt many autopsies are done these days, unless foul play is suspected. However, how the statistics change as death certification of individuals is verified, the numbers will continue to change.

Time will tell, I guess.

Bhvbum · ‎07-18-2010

@Meowingkitty wrote:
Someone was telling me that 5 of his firefighter friends and him went in to get a Covid test. They waited and waited until they couldn't wait. They had to go back to work so they never got the test. A few days later they got results that they were all positive.

and you believe that, LOL. I don't know where to begin to tell you that that's not possible. Have you been to get your Covid vaccine yet?

Bhvbum · ‎07-18-2010

@GrailSeeker wrote:
@Skezeldog wrote:
And i do not believe that we have had NO FLU this year, please, they have monkeyed with the numbers from day one.
Zero flu and zero common cold, they were totally eliminated. Illinois, in a very small press release, stated that any respiratory illness would be counted in as Covid months ago, when the states were becoming eligible for Federal assistance. Any death that involved pneumonia, which most deaths will experience respiratory failure and pneumonia at some point, were counted as Covid related, even when the Covid test was not yet available.
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This is simply not true, and this is how mis-information is spread. From the CDC Website:

No. of specimens tested last week 18,740 YTD 659,131
No. of positive specimens (%) 28 (0.1%) 1,499 (0.2%)
194 million doses of flu vaccine have been given for both types A and B strains. Flu is always estimated because very few people actually get tested for the flu.

Drythe · ‎07-09-2011

@Beguile

Wake up to what?

I wish I could have slept through this National Pandemic

which Killed over 500,000 Americans.

@Beguile wrote:
Finally....people are starting to wake up.

"Animals are not my whole world, but they have made my world whole" ~ Roger Caras

Drythe · ‎07-09-2011

Who doesn’t have flu?

My state HDP continues to report it.

@Skezeldog

@Skezeldog wrote:
And i do not believe that we have had NO FLU this year, please, they have monkeyed with the numbers from day one.

"Animals are not my whole world, but they have made my world whole" ~ Roger Caras

Drythe · ‎07-09-2011

@Lali1

Why is it that when someone states a DIFFERENT opinion, they are ACCUSED of trying to tell others they can’t talk?

Why is someone with a DIFFERENT opinion accused of not asking questions, not thinking for themselves?

I have done much research and will continue to do so. If my opinion doesn’t agree with yours, FINE.

I have studied Many sources, and cranked the available DATA for Myself. You state your opinion and so will I. I believe we have suffered from a National Pandemic made worse by inexplicable lack of planning, and compounded by poor response. 500,000 Americans died from it. My eyes are open.

@Lali1 wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.

The questions always seem to cast doubt on how serious the pandemic is. Every country in the world has been effected by the pandemic. But some think there is a conspiracy to up the number of cases.
Just questions. How you look them is your issue. We are still allowed to ask questions in this country. If you want to believe things without questioning so be it. Don't dare say I have no right to ask the questions and then lie about my motives!

"Animals are not my whole world, but they have made my world whole" ~ Roger Caras

Drythe · ‎07-09-2011

Calling those who have opinions Different from yours Lemmings

and Sheep is NOT showing a willingness to listen, or openness to other ideas.

Critical thinking, running the data for one’s self, and checking multiple sources is required to draw sound conclusions. One must be open to a result which does not support their own personal views.

@CrazyDaisy

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
You guys are asking questions. Fine and good. Who are you directing your questions to? Other posters who are just as much laymen without medical expertise as yourselves? You want the "so called experts" to explain things to you? But you don't believe the experts when they do explain things? I'm not sure what you want to learn and who exactly you would accept answers from.

So...do you actually want answers? It's easy to direct you to expert answers. But somehow I think that wouldn't be the end of it. Or do you just want to sow doubt? It's either one or the other, can't be both.
Asking questions are also used to get people to THINK. Something that is missing in many people today. They all just wait to be told what to do by someone else.
Does that include yourself? Or are you one of the elite who thinks for yourself, and the rest of us are just sheep waiting to be told what to do? That would be a bit of an insult towards those who simply disagree with you.

Have you considered that those who disagree with you might be just as informed and capable of THINKing independently as you are? Sometimes the mainstream, traditional, conservative view is actually based on verifiable truth...An idea being new, radical, and widely rejected does not give it more of a basis in truth than an older more established view.
If you come to a different conclusion than me, that's ok. You can defend how you got there and possibly make a point i didn't consider. Of course you need to be open to the opposite. When you totally dismiss other alternatives, that is not thinking and coming to a conclusion....that is accepting someone else's conclusion and ignoring others.

"Animals are not my whole world, but they have made my world whole" ~ Roger Caras

Lali1 · ‎08-21-2014

@Drythe wrote:

@Lali1

Why is it that when someone states a DIFFERENT opinion, they are ACCUSED of trying to tell others they can’t talk?

Why is someone with a DIFFERENT opinion accused of not asking questions, not thinking for themselves?

I have done much research and will continue to do so. If my opinion doesn’t agree with yours, FINE.

I have studied Many sources, and cranked the available DATA for Myself. You state your opinion and so will I. I believe we have suffered from a National Pandemic made worse by inexplicable lack of planning, and compounded by poor response. 500,000 Americans died from it. My eyes are open.

@Lali1 wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.

The questions always seem to cast doubt on how serious the pandemic is. Every country in the world has been effected by the pandemic. But some think there is a conspiracy to up the number of cases.
Just questions. How you look them is your issue. We are still allowed to ask questions in this country. If you want to believe things without questioning so be it. Don't dare say I have no right to ask the questions and then lie about my motives!

Maybe your question should be asked of the people suggesting having a differing opinion is magical thinking. My truth is my truth. I know no one who has been hospitalized due to COVID much less died due to it. Many others have the same experience yet the number of cases are so high and deaths. So we're stupid for asking questions? I don't see it. Not sure why it seems to bother some that people have questions.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

We've been fed lies, half truths, politically and financially motivated, and incompetently compiled stats the entire time. Part of it is to be expected with something so new and broad, part of it is everyone has an agenda.

I don't put much stock in anything that is or has been reported about this virus. While always questionable, we can no longer trust our government, or our media. We are kind of left out there to try and figure it out ourselves.

eadu4 · ‎06-14-2011

@pitdakota And again I respect your reply. Agreed operator errors occur. I'm not saying every area reporting had massive errors, but it would only take each area to have a number of errors to add up to a significant number. I understand you have faith that the system worked as it should. I don't. I feel there were more errors than we will ever know about. And I don't have faith that it would ever be reported. Since inconsistencies and errors are rarely reported or they are simply a footnote correction. You have more faith in the system than I do. I respect that but I can't do that. That's a leap of faith I just can't take anymore.