CA Tragedy - Page 3

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

@ladyroxanne wrote:
i saw this on the news. i's such a terrible mistake. 9 bullets is a bit overkill imo. i wonder how these officers feel after doing such a thing.

My daughter is a police officer. I'm sure they felt awful

Annabellethecat66 · ‎03-12-2010

I don't think you can find fault with anyone. It's a sign of the times that people think the worst.

As far as the police go, I've thought for a long time they need much more training and for a longer period of time.

Considering they are being killed in record numbers, I guess they are very nervous.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that each City trains their police in their own "SPECIAL" way (whatever that is).

There should be uniform training and they should be given every scenario when learning to deal with the public. So many things have changed even in the past 10 years on how the public thinks and acts. If we don't make sure our public servants learn to deal with the changes there are going to be more things like this happening.

As a senior citizen (I'm 70) I know there are probably more than ever of us Baby Boomers who have some kind of issues that the police need to learn to deal with. The Baby Boomer generation was the largest our country has ever had (and probably ever will have). We have some unique problems we are dealing with.

Then you have teenagers who are plugged in and some don't pay attention (plugged in) some have no respect for anything or anyone and so on. The police need to learn how to deal with them. The parents aren't doing their part at home but that isn't important when the police are one on one at an intensive time. Rather than pull out a gun, they might have tools to talk them down (verbal skills, much like someone dealing with mental problems).

I'm just saying we need to start at home, move to training police better and we, the public show more respect to the people who protect us (whomever they are).

I know some police (neighbors) who are real ass (insert your word) and I know some who are amazing. They are people. There are (in my opinion) many, many more hero's than there are stupids. But it only takes one stupid to cause problems just like in all walks of life only with someone who has a gun the problem jumps from maybe a 2 (unarmed and talking) to a 10).

I and almost everyone I know owns guns. We don't shoot people so I don't think that's the problem. They need to be better trained and given the financial resources required to do that training and also so they can hire the best and the brightest like every job.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Nightowlz wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
Mr. Cerna was shot nine times.

Heartbreaking.
@Noel7 There's just no excuse for that. They don't have to shoot to kill in situations like this. What's wrong with using their taser or at least shoot in a place that won't kill them but stop them so they can arrest them.

@Nightowlz

Taser?

Shoot in a place that won't kill them?

This isn't a movie or a show on TV. SMH

And at night? This gentleman was a perceived threat to others.

If he was a non-threatening, well known, old guy in the neighborhood...why was there a 911 call? Obviously the neighborhood felt he was a threat, as well. Late at night, perceived hidden gun, not complying with the police...it's not going to end well.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@Mz iMac wrote:
@Noel7

According to the article you linked....

He did not have Alzheimer's. He was in the early stages of dementia. Alzheimers was never mentioned in the article.
911 calls reported man w/gun.
No way for police to know "no gun." They were going by what was called in to "911."
Man kept hands in pocket & did not respond to police commands. Kept coming toward them.

How were the police to know this man had dementia????

Most important question of all....
Where were his caretakers? This "killing" occurred 12:30 AM.

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Tanks for the correction. How were they to know? Maybe they didn't, but they had been to his house before, reportedly, for medical calls when he was confused.

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

@sidsmom wrote:
@Nightowlz wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
Mr. Cerna was shot nine times.

Heartbreaking.
@Noel7 There's just no excuse for that. They don't have to shoot to kill in situations like this. What's wrong with using their taser or at least shoot in a place that won't kill them but stop them so they can arrest them.
@Nightowlz
Taser?
Shoot in a place that won't kill them?
This isn't a movie or a show on TV. SMH
And at night? This gentleman was a perceived threat to others.

If he was a non-threatening, well known, old guy in the neighborhood...why was there a 911 call? Obviously the neighborhood felt he was a threat, as well. Late at night, perceived hidden gun, not complying with the police...it's not going to end well.

A moving target isn't easy to hit. Most police aren't marksmen. They are just trained to shoot. A sharpshooter is a far different thing

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

We have an older family friend with Alzheimer's. He was moved to another state to be with the only family he has left and is now in an assisted living home.

He spent his entire life helping others, especially the poor, and was also devoted to working through his church.

They are not safe.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

Noel&, the reality is...no one is safe in today's world. Knowing this, you make choices to keep yourself and those you love safe. Honesly, I think it's always been this way; we just didn't hear about it.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@SahmIam wrote:
Noel&, the reality is...no one is safe in today's world. Knowing this, you make choices to keep yourself and those you love safe. Honesly, I think it's always been this way; we just didn't hear about it.

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@SahmIam

Then I will put it this way, they are more at risk than the average person and they can't care for themselves.

Caretakers become overwhelmed, especially if they are also elderly or ill themselves.

We don't have a real safety net for them.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

Noel, I wasn't disagreeing with you; I was simply adding that everyone has to be careful, so those who need extra help with either not get it OR need someone to watch out for them constantly which means THOSE people may need help but there is none.

It's how the world goes.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@cherry wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@Nightowlz wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
Mr. Cerna was shot nine times.

Heartbreaking.
@Noel7 There's just no excuse for that. They don't have to shoot to kill in situations like this. What's wrong with using their taser or at least shoot in a place that won't kill them but stop them so they can arrest them.
@Nightowlz
Taser?
Shoot in a place that won't kill them?
This isn't a movie or a show on TV. SMH
And at night? This gentleman was a perceived threat to others.

If he was a non-threatening, well known, old guy in the neighborhood...why was there a 911 call? Obviously the neighborhood felt he was a threat, as well. Late at night, perceived hidden gun, not complying with the police...it's not going to end well.
A moving target isn't easy to hit. Most police aren't marksmen. They are just trained to shoot. A sharpshooter is a far different thing

@cherry

I agree w/ part of that. I respect your daughter being in LE...I, too, have my SO being an officer, as well.

You are correct...moving targets are not easy to hit...especially with tasers. They have to be grounded in 2 different parts of the body within 10ft, I believe.

What I don't agree with is...police officers are VERY skilled marksmen. If you're not, please leave the profession. And as for someone up thread saying police should shoot to injure...a bullet to the femoral artery & the victim bleeds out in minutes. Police are trained to neutralize the theat.