Re: Burden of Proof?

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:
There is a reason for the Statute of Limitation and for innocent until proven guilty. A pattern is not proof, gossip forms a pattern.

The accusers should have come forward at the time while memory and evidence of both guilt and innocence was fresh. Now it's revenge served cold.
I do agree with you but in their line of work actresses get labeled "difficult" and suddenly find it impossible to find work. When your livelihood is on the line and you are the sole support for that roof over your head I can understand not wanting to say anything. I think some of these actresses are in a better place financially and find it easier to accuse these people now.
@puttypiesmom. This is what no one understands. You get educated, you have goals, you find a job in that area that pays good money and your CAREER begins. Then some slime buckets start in on you. SO.....You have to quit your job, sacrifice your career because of them? Instead of him being held accountable, you need to start over, find a new job and career and he sits back and laughs and continues. Ok then.

A job is a JOB - one job is not an entire career. Walk out and don't look back!

puttypiesmom · ‎10-11-2017

@151949 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:
There is a reason for the Statute of Limitation and for innocent until proven guilty. A pattern is not proof, gossip forms a pattern.

The accusers should have come forward at the time while memory and evidence of both guilt and innocence was fresh. Now it's revenge served cold.
I do agree with you but in their line of work actresses get labeled "difficult" and suddenly find it impossible to find work. When your livelihood is on the line and you are the sole support for that roof over your head I can understand not wanting to say anything. I think some of these actresses are in a better place financially and find it easier to accuse these people now.
@puttypiesmom. This is what no one understands. You get educated, you have goals, you find a job in that area that pays good money and your CAREER begins. Then some slime buckets start in on you. SO.....You have to quit your job, sacrifice your career because of them? Instead of him being held accountable, you need to start over, find a new job and career and he sits back and laughs and continues. Ok then.
A job is a JOB - one job is not an entire career. Walk out and don't look back!

Right. Like you could be an actress and they could do your job.

Tinkrbl44 · ‎08-23-2010

@chrystaltree wrote:
It does not matter whether I respect or know the person or not. I do not and will never assume that a person is guilty of something JUST because someone makes an accusation. That is NOT what Americans do. And I won't even consider an accusation made my someone who wants to slander someone and remain anonymous. What's going today is modern day witch hunt.

@chrystaltree

??? I've heard many times on news reports where a rape victims' identity is not revealed. What if the victim is a minor? Still want their name plastered everywhere?

Just because they report a crime doesn't mean "they want to slander someone". Sometimes they are just reporting a crime, and them doing so may prevent the next woman from being raped. How the police handle these matters of identity should be based on legal guidelines, whether you like it or not.

occasionalrain · ‎03-10-2010

I don't object to protecting the accuser's identity as long as the identity of the accused is protected as well. Once accused, guilty or not guilty, their repretation is damaged irreparabley.

RoughDraft · ‎03-09-2010

@fordtruck wrote:
@151949 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:
There is a reason for the Statute of Limitation and for innocent until proven guilty. A pattern is not proof, gossip forms a pattern.

The accusers should have come forward at the time while memory and evidence of both guilt and innocence was fresh. Now it's revenge served cold.
I do agree with you but in their line of work actresses get labeled "difficult" and suddenly find it impossible to find work. When your livelihood is on the line and you are the sole support for that roof over your head I can understand not wanting to say anything. I think some of these actresses are in a better place financially and find it easier to accuse these people now.
@puttypiesmom. This is what no one understands. You get educated, you have goals, you find a job in that area that pays good money and your CAREER begins. Then some slime buckets start in on you. SO.....You have to quit your job, sacrifice your career because of them? Instead of him being held accountable, you need to start over, find a new job and career and he sits back and laughs and continues. Ok then.
A job is a JOB - one job is not an entire career. Walk out and don't look back!
Right. Like you could be an actress and they could do your job.

@151949A job is not just a JOB. If I'm not mistaken you worked in the field of nursing. There was a time when nurses were so scarce, if a person working in a hospital "just knew" a nurse, they were offered extremely sizeable recruitment fees to make a connection. Since we're not all nurses, I hope you can see the difference.

~The only difference between this place and the Titanic is that the Titanic had a band.~

NAES1 · ‎09-02-2011

@webbgarner1 wrote:
I agree with what the actress Pamela Anderson had to say and I had long thought. In al ot of these situations, these women who are now calling theirself victims should have known better. Why would you go to a mans hotel room alone and him being there alone as well. You are sending the message, yeah I will play along, then cry harassment years later.
Now if someone is denying you a promotion in the workplace unless you do sexual favors that is different matter. But a lot of these women, not all, put thierself in these positions and did not set bounderies.
Most men will stop the behavior if you stand your ground and tell them it is not appreciated and do not do it again, but when you play along and then complain that is wrong.

@webbgarner1,

I also read, then [reread ] every single word that

Pamela Anderson said in her true to point view of these many situations, and agreed everything she wisely stated: Women know better than to go in to hotel room alone...they know they are positioning any type of behavior.

With few - - very few exceptions- - most young girls (adults) and women old enough to know better are clearly mesmerized by Power and money.

This is nothing new and has been going on for

__way before I was I was ever born_!

I was not allowed to car date at 16-17, not because my parents did not trust me, but very knowledgeable of what 'The date' could have power over me. Just the one to one car dates, nothing to do with couples going together to dances and other high school activities.

This (almost) reminds me of high school again...the girl dated the football player(s) to be popular and noted to be ahead of the other girls, either due to low self esteem, or never being noticed before.

The GUYS never wanted the company...after the once- they were > O U T.

When I was in my 20s -had graduated from my series of nursing schools, I had the top Chief of Staff as one of my private room patients.

He asked for me each day, until I became very uncomfortable being that near by- to his needs.

He said if I leave he would have a petition signed to not let me leave that one hospital, but I did on my own and never looked backed.

Working in any hospital, I always was faced with these troublesome... so thought powerful physicians.

I could `smell` intuitively when one thought I could be bought and be given any position wanted- I left to another floor where, then- I became a teaching clinical medical adviser.

I was engaged soon after that to be married...!!And!! Good RIDDANCE because I would have destroyed their lives, and would be a poster nurse...This too, can happened to you if you Don't Scream Out - Rid the little gods.

I was one of the very fortunate ones because I would never fall victim to slime scums after their young prey.

Thank God I had very caring and wise parents.

My heart ache is for those (both female and males) who had no role models.

Young girls have no business being with young boys with high testosterone levels - alone in a car, far away from help;also, that goes for the girls that mature too early. Both know (even in high school) know what is happening, just too caught up in the "hey no consequences for me syndrome" .

These men, the so called high profiled powered creeps just keep on going UNTIL CAUGHT. Just that SIMPLE!

In these situations, most have lost their power through testosterone, trading off with power and money.................!

Tinkrbl44 · ‎08-23-2010

@fordtruck wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:
There is a reason for the Statute of Limitation and for innocent until proven guilty. A pattern is not proof, gossip forms a pattern.

The accusers should have come forward at the time while memory and evidence of both guilt and innocence was fresh. Now it's revenge served cold.
I do agree with you but in their line of work actresses get labeled "difficult" and suddenly find it impossible to find work. When your livelihood is on the line and you are the sole support for that roof over your head I can understand not wanting to say anything. I think some of these actresses are in a better place financially and find it easier to accuse these people now.

@puttypiesmom @occasionalrain

One thing that many here seem to forget is that when these things happen, a woman may blame herself, thinking she somehow encouraged the creepy behavior.

"She was asking for it ..."

"No one will believe you .... his word against yours"

When the first Cosby accusers finally spoke up, many others were shocked to learn he had done this repeatedly to women all over the country. This startling revelation gave them the COURAGE to come forward and that they might actually be believed .....

Since it is documented that a majority of rape victims aren't able to report crimes immediately, the statute of limitations needs to be changed ... or just removed. Women may not report things to the police, but they will tell their friends, or shrink, or someone at the time .... or, hopefully, keep some DNA evidence. Investigations can still be done later.

Tinkrbl44 · ‎08-23-2010

@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:
There is a reason for the Statute of Limitation and for innocent until proven guilty. A pattern is not proof, gossip forms a pattern.

The accusers should have come forward at the time while memory and evidence of both guilt and innocence was fresh. Now it's revenge served cold.
I do agree with you but in their line of work actresses get labeled "difficult" and suddenly find it impossible to find work. When your livelihood is on the line and you are the sole support for that roof over your head I can understand not wanting to say anything. I think some of these actresses are in a better place financially and find it easier to accuse these people now.
@puttypiesmom. This is what no one understands. You get educated, you have goals, you find a job in that area that pays good money and your CAREER begins. Then some slime buckets start in on you. SO.....You have to quit your job, sacrifice your career because of them? Instead of him being held accountable, you need to start over, find a new job and career and he sits back and laughs and continues. Ok then.