Community Chat

[Greeneyedlady21]

So sick of whataboutism

[Nancy Drew]

So sick of hypocrisy and turning a blind eye.

[bikerbabe]

I THINK, mass shooters have more of a loner profile?

But it all feeds into a culture of violence being the norm.

[gertrudecloset]

ALL CRIME IS BAD.  DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS DOING IT!  What matters more is that it is happening.

[gertrudecloset]

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@bikerbabe wrote:
I THINK, mass shooters have more of a loner profile?

But it all feeds into a culture of violence being the norm.

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Nah....Are you a Criminal Minds fan?  I love that show @bikerbabe .  That used to be a theory.  There are myriad reasons for mass shootings by one lone individual.

[JamandBread]

Semi automatics will be banned. I believe it is coming soon.

Frankly, I don't care how it gets done, as long as its done.

[Sooner]

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@Porcelain wrote:

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@Sooner wrote:

Not to mention the on-going gang violence that is so rampant in many cities, and has been for decades.  Not stopping this has led to an underlying acceptance of violence at a certain level. It's coming back to bite us. 

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I don't think the hotheads who shot each other outside a bar near me were influenced by law enforcement policies about gangs in other states.

I think they were just mad and drunk and had guns right to hand.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is best.

Maybe people around you have developed acceptance of violence at a certain level, and for the reasons you state. I have not.

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@Porcelain My comment was that in places, especially in some (SOME) cities gang warfare and violence are taken as a given.  That culture leaks out in the news and in the justice system.  It sets the stage for violence as a normal part of life in those places.  

Since my state legalized marijuana, crime has increased.  Goes hand and hand with drugs. The drugs and the money attract crime and violence. 

[Lucky Charm]

Gang members don't give an At's Rass at who is in the line of fire.  Many many many times children are the victims caught in the hatred that comes from drug warfare.  

Total up the school aged victims each day and your probably have a school shooting total.

[Porcelain]

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@Sooner wrote:

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@Porcelain wrote:

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@Sooner wrote:

Not to mention the on-going gang violence that is so rampant in many cities, and has been for decades.  Not stopping this has led to an underlying acceptance of violence at a certain level. It's coming back to bite us. 

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I don't think the hotheads who shot each other outside a bar near me were influenced by law enforcement policies about gangs in other states.

I think they were just mad and drunk and had guns right to hand.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is best.

Maybe people around you have developed acceptance of violence at a certain level, and for the reasons you state. I have not.

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@Porcelain My comment was that in places, especially in some (SOME) cities gang warfare and violence are taken as a given.  That culture leaks out in the news and in the justice system.  It sets the stage for violence as a normal part of life in those places.  

Since my state legalized marijuana, crime has increased.  Goes hand and hand with drugs. The drugs and the money attract crime and violence. 

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Are you claiming this is the problem in the suburbs where I live and in Bend Oregon? Do you think a culture of violence acceptance and of casual legal drug use acceptance has contributed to the majority of gun deaths? I think it's possible we have become too used to guns and treat them too casually.

The majority of gun murders are among people who know each other. And, unfortunately, suicides and accidents still account for the majority of the gun deaths in our country. That is fact.

Also most gun owners are rural. I would assume they own their guns to protect their property out where it would take too long for a sherrif's deputy to reach them in their isolated location. And to hunt and scare off wild animals. My dad has a shotgun and a rifle for those purposes out in MT as do all of his neighbors as far as I know.

Personally, I think popularizing a culture of gun safety and respect for the deadly device you've brought into your family home would be more helpful to reducing preventable gun deaths. Also a gun safety culture would be easier to accomplish than declaring that we have to eliminate organized crime and black market goods first before we can begin to make Americans safer from being shot.

Better mental health and domestic violence programs could have add on benefits to reducing gun suicides and domestic murders as well.

Also, handguns are the most commonly used firearms for gun murders. So narrowing any controls to only target handguns, maybe concentrating on the most troubled areas, might be less onerous on the segment of rural people (like my dad) who are mainly concerned with property protection and who don't own handguns.

[gertrudecloset]

@Porcelain I agree with youabout your take on all of this (I have requoted you here below).  On point and every bit of it factual.

Are you claiming this is the problem in the suburbs where I live and in Bend Oregon? Do you think a culture of violence acceptance and of casual legal drug use acceptance has contributed to the majority of gun deaths? I think it's possible we have become too used to guns and treat them too casually.

The majority of gun murders are among people who know each other. And, unfortunately, suicides and accidents still account for the majority of the gun deaths in our country. That is fact.

Also most gun owners are rural. I would assume they own their guns to protect their property out where it would take too long for a sherrif's deputy to reach them in their isolated location. And to hunt and scare off wild animals. My dad has a shotgun and a rifle for those purposes out in MT as do all of his neighbors as far as I know.

Personally, I think popularizing a culture of gun safety and respect for the deadly device you've brought into your family home would be more helpful to reducing preventable gun deaths. Also a gun safety culture would be easier to accomplish than declaring that we have to eliminate organized crime and black market goods first before we can begin to make Americans safer from being shot.

Better mental health and domestic violence programs could have add on benefits to reducing gun suicides and domestic murders as well.

Also, handguns are the most commonly used firearms for gun murders. So narrowing any controls to only target handguns, maybe concentrating on the most troubled areas, might be less onerous on the segment of rural people (like my dad) who are mainly concerned with property protection and who don't own handguns.