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[ThinkingOutLoud]

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Carmie wrote:

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Kitty Galore wrote:

unemployment enhancements is the reason.  If someone makes more staying home why go to work,  where is the incentive?

 Having  a good work ethic comes to play too🤔  The crisis is pretty much over the extra  unemployment should be as well .

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Work "ethic" has nothing to do with getting extra $$ to live a better life.  Those two things are not analogous.  Those who were making minimum wage were never getting the top amount in their UE benefits.  Only people making the highest salary got the top tier of their UE benefits.  They were better off staying home. 

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Well people with children who aren't working won't go back to work now.  They will be getting $300 for each child every month under the age of 6 and $250 for older children. The parents have to be making less than $150,000.

I wonder who's gonna pay this free money.

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@Carmiefrom what I've read it's an advance on their Child Tax Credit.  Something they would get anyway if they did their taxes properly.  They will get six payments of this upfront child tax credit (which they are eligible for).  If you had read up on the program you'd know the IRS is responsible for all of this.  That means of course all taxpayer's including the parents who are not going back to work.

No one get this credit unless they were eligible for it.  Don't fear.  It's not another handout!

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But to me, this seems to be another avenue for fraud and more the IRS isn't capable of staying on top of.

[haddon9]

Thanks @Linmo 

[gertrudecloset]

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@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Carmie wrote:

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Kitty Galore wrote:

unemployment enhancements is the reason.  If someone makes more staying home why go to work,  where is the incentive?

 Having  a good work ethic comes to play too🤔  The crisis is pretty much over the extra  unemployment should be as well .

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Work "ethic" has nothing to do with getting extra $$ to live a better life.  Those two things are not analogous.  Those who were making minimum wage were never getting the top amount in their UE benefits.  Only people making the highest salary got the top tier of their UE benefits.  They were better off staying home. 

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Well people with children who aren't working won't go back to work now.  They will be getting $300 for each child every month under the age of 6 and $250 for older children. The parents have to be making less than $150,000.

I wonder who's gonna pay this free money.

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@Carmiefrom what I've read it's an advance on their Child Tax Credit.  Something they would get anyway if they did their taxes properly.  They will get six payments of this upfront child tax credit (which they are eligible for).  If you had read up on the program you'd know the IRS is responsible for all of this.  That means of course all taxpayer's including the parents who are not going back to work.

No one get this credit unless they were eligible for it.  Don't fear.  It's not another handout!

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But to me, this seems to be another avenue for fraud and more the IRS isn't capable of staying on top of.

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@ThinkingOutLoudhow could that be if these people ordinarily get this credit?  What the IRS is doing is giving it to them up front.  Those who qulalify for this Tax Credit are just getting it upfront.

Yes there is always fraud.  I'll bet you your monthly income the vast majority of fraud doesn't come from the average working family.  Go ahead out on a limb and tell me you know it's big corps who get to hide their income and don't pay any taxes.

Fraud?  Get outta here.

[gertrudecloset]

Big companies get tax breaks but raise the price of your goods anyway.  Give it a rest beating down on working folk. 

[suzyQ3]

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

Big companies get tax breaks but raise the price of your goods anyway.  Give it a rest beating down on working folk. 

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You mean that that their wealth doesn't trickle down????????  Well, I'll be darn.

@gertrudecloset 

[CalminHeart]

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@hyacinth003 wrote:

Some of this fallout is reportedly due to people not going back to work because they get equal or more of their pay with COVID benefits.

I suppose a few are afraid to go back, maybe.

I didn't read it, but saw an article on Wolfgang Puck saying he cannot get enough help for his restaurants.  A local pizza chain has said this also.

Hyacinth

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@hyacinth003 

My area is having that same problem, restaurants and fast food places remain closed due to a lack of workers, the signs on their doors state.

Why work when they can sit home and receive the same amount of 'pay'?

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Could you live on $300 per week? That's all they get and it certainly doen't pay the mortgage or rent.

Don't judge. There are many reasons and I noted a couple in my other post. 

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$300 a week is the Federal benefit, add that to the state benefit.

In NJ the maximum benefit is around $650, I understand that most people aren't going to be eligible for that amount but if you could sit home and collect $950 a week would you go to work?

A lot of them may be breaking even when you take into account, no car fare, no commuting, no dry cleaner bills, coffee or lunch costs.

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The unemployed I know don't make $650 or $950 a week. They got between $300 and $450 before the state started refusing federal aid and cut out the $300. My state would rather people work for slave wages than make businesses pay decent wages.

When I retired, my income went to about 45% of what it used to be. I no longer have a million other expenses....clothes, gas, as much car upkeep, buying extra food to make lunches/eating out, and the list goes on. It works fine.

[Goldengate8361]

After muddling through this thread, it is clear that the huge "tribal" divide in our country in not anywhere close to closing or even listening to each other. 

[FiddleDeeDee]

It's interesting seeing who is having issues hiring and who isn't. None of our friends or family lost their jobs during the shutdown.....except us. We are in fields that we NEVER thought would have an issue....surprise. Granted, DH's was due to political reasons but mine? That was a decision made by the bean counters at the hospital and MANY were let go because we weren't having patients other than the ER and care resulting from COVID cases.

Fast food is having problems; is that REALLY all that surprising? Restaurants (not the good ones but the chains and "eh" ones are having problems. Again, is that really surprising? I know getting repair people in to fix things is a nightmare but that is due to customer now feeling more comfortable having repair people in vs a shortage (at least where I am and back home). Dental offices are having issues hiring but that may be due to the rules regarding hiring people straight out of school. Beyond that, I haven't heard (in my area) of anyone having issues hiring. Stores are fully staffed and are turning away applicants (ask my 16 year old and his friends about that). I just took a part time gig working from home for a whopping $11 an hour; they have more people applying than jobs even at that low a wage. 

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person asking myself: It's no surprise food places are having issues hiring: the pay stinks, the working conditions stink (I did that during college...hated it). How are other industries doing? Let's discuss those fields or maybe if we did, we'd see the numbers aren't big enough to sell air time/catch everyone's attention. Perhaps the restaurant industry needs to take a HARD look at itself and make some changes. 

[Drythe]

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@Greeneyedlady21 wrote:

So much judgment and jumping to conclusions here about other people, as always. Was just reading an article this morning about the record numbers of workers leaving retail over the last few months for OTHER jobs. They are working, not collecting unemployment. They say it's not worth their lives to be treated and paid that way. That's one reason retail can't find help.

These people delivered for us and risked their lives working in essential businesses. Now some people here sit in their comfortable lives and judge them. If you are so concerned about lack of retail and restaurant help, maybe go to work there and help out.

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@Greeneyedlady21 

Thank you for saying this.

[Drythe]

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@decaf wrote:

@on the bay  I'll probably get a lot of flack for this. II don't blame it on illness or,a myriad of other things.

They just don't want to work.  They think someone owes them 100k/yr for doing nothing, they don't want to be tied down to a 9-5 job, they want to do what they want to do, they think having a full time job is too much stress, they can't find a job/career that's fun.

I have a nephew who's 38 who fits this description, two friends with grown kids that do also. It's an epidemic of false entitlement.

ETA- I live in a touristy area, the beach, etc. Hotels here are advertising work/play vacations. The commercial shows a guy and girl in bathing suits on lounge chairs at the pool. With laptops. Sipping icy drinks. The ad says "why stay at home and be bored while working, rent a luxurious room for a day,a weekend or as long as you like.  If you have to work you might as well make it really fun."

OK, sure.

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@decaf 

What happened between THIS post and post TWELVE #12 ???