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[Quackeroo]

@decaf 

Work ethic is a HUGE issue. A young relative of mine worked a summer for a well-known fast food company. Part of the new employee training included what used to be BASIC expectations: coming to work on time, clean and well groomed, etc.

Several of the employees did not call in when they couldn't be there, were often late, and a couple proudly arrived and worked stoned.

~Quack

[Tinkrbl44]

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@decaf wrote:

@on the bay  I'll probably get a lot of flack for this. II don't blame it on illness or,a myriad of other things.

They just don't want to work.  They think someone owes them 100k/yr for doing nothing, they don't want to be tied down to a 9-5 job, they want to do what they want to do, they think having a full time job is too much stress, they can't find a job/career that's fun.

I have a nephew who's 38 who fits this description, two friends with grown kids that do also. It's an epidemic of false entitlement.

ETA- I live in a touristy area, the beach, etc. Hotels here are advertising work/play vacations. The commercial shows a guy and girl in bathing suits on lounge chairs at the pool. With laptops. Sipping icy drinks. The ad says "why stay at home and be bored while working, rent a luxurious room for a day,a weekend or as long as you like.  If you have to work you might as well make it really fun."

OK, sure.

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@decaf 

I don't know why, but some people you mentioned weren't raised with a good work ethic.  And some are lacking good manners.   Don't you blame the parents for this ... even a little?  

[decaf]

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@decaf wrote:

@on the bay  I'll probably get a lot of flack for this. II don't blame it on illness or,a myriad of other things.

They just don't want to work.  They think someone owes them 100k/yr for doing nothing, they don't want to be tied down to a 9-5 job, they want to do what they want to do, they think having a full time job is too much stress, they can't find a job/career that's fun.

I have a nephew who's 38 who fits this description, two friends with grown kids that do also. It's an epidemic of false entitlement.

ETA- I live in a touristy area, the beach, etc. Hotels here are advertising work/play vacations. The commercial shows a guy and girl in bathing suits on lounge chairs at the pool. With laptops. Sipping icy drinks. The ad says "why stay at home and be bored while working, rent a luxurious room for a day,a weekend or as long as you like.  If you have to work you might as well make it really fun."

OK, sure.

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@decaf 

I don't know why, but some people you mentioned weren't raised with a good work ethic.  And some are lacking good manners.   Don't you blame the parents for this ... even a little?  

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@Tinkrbl44  Yes, in many circumstances, absolutely bad parenting.

Now my  38 yo nephew with no job for 3 years has a twin brother who is a self made, more than millionaire, owns a condo in Manhattan, a beautiful 5 BR/4 bath home in Princeton NJ  and a vacation ski home in Killington, Vt.  Both brothers were raised together, the same as can be.  This seems to be one case where parenting is not the cause. The successful married twin is getting really fed up with subsidizing his playboy twin brother!

And I know people, friends whose grown children are never moving out, they have it too good. Yes, these two cases I blame the parents.

I hope I didn't portray these people as having bad manners. Not in public, that I've witnessed.

[decaf]

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@Quackeroo wrote:

@decaf 

Work ethic is a HUGE issue. A young relative of mine worked a summer for a well-known fast food company. Part of the new employee training included what used to be BASIC expectations: coming to work on time, clean and well groomed, etc.

Several of the employees did not call in when they couldn't be there, were often late, and a couple proudly arrived and worked stoned.

~Quack

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@Quackeroo  That's exactly what I'm talking about.

 When my son got his first P/T job at Home Depot I prayed he would handle himself well. I went in one day to buy something and just decided to introduce myself to the dept. manager.  I was thrilled when he told me my son does the work of three employees every shift, he hoped he would never quit. 

It's all about work ethic, it's a parents responsibility to instill that in their offspring.  I have twin nephews, one hasn't worked in 3 years or ever held a job for more than 16 months, the other is a huge success. They were raised exactly the same, in this case it has to be the child, not the parent..

I was raised that having a job is a privilege, like having your drivers license. Very sad that some people today are only interested in shortcuts to $$$ and success, not interested in putting in the hard work to get there.

[Cakers3]

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@on the bay wrote:

@decaf,

I don't care to discuss it anymore either. I will just say that I did not start the disagreement with you. I think you fail to see any other viewpoint but your own.

I am not that way at all. I like to see many sides. I've read the articles too regarding those generations.

You can't presume what others think on here.

We can hopefully respectfully agree to disagree.

It can be a mutually enlightening discussion as long as everyone doesn't make it a back and forth against each other. I stated my opinion and you seemed to take offense at everything I posted. And you seemed to want the back and forth. I get your viewpoint, and acknowledged it also from many things I said, agreeing with that.

I don't feel you did the same, or wanted to see any other side.

I can see you have strong opinions about those generations from the articles and your experience. 

But we'll move on ok?

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@on the bay, I would bet that there has been negative opinions about every single generation. It's low-hanging fruit for lazy writers.

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@suzyQ3  What is a "lazy writer"?

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@decaf, it's just what it sounds like.

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@suzyQ3   I wish I could say thanks for answering my question. But you chose not to.  Maybe that's what a "lazy writer' is.

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@decaf,your question wasn't a question; it was a comment. I can be fooled for sure, but I know the difference between the two.

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@suzyQ3  You're wrong, call me stupid if you want but please don't call me insincere.. It was a GENUINE question, I have no idea what a "lazy writer" is!  Still don't  I have no idea why you're being so unkind to me.

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@decaf   Sure looks like a question to me.  The sentence ended with a question mark so unless punctuation is now being canceled too-seems obvious it was a question.

Just sayin'.

[decaf]

@Cakers3  I thought it was obvious.

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@on the bay wrote:

@decaf,

I don't care to discuss it anymore either. I will just say that I did not start the disagreement with you. I think you fail to see any other viewpoint but your own.

I am not that way at all. I like to see many sides. I've read the articles too regarding those generations.

You can't presume what others think on here.

We can hopefully respectfully agree to disagree.

It can be a mutually enlightening discussion as long as everyone doesn't make it a back and forth against each other. I stated my opinion and you seemed to take offense at everything I posted. And you seemed to want the back and forth. I get your viewpoint, and acknowledged it also from many things I said, agreeing with that.

I don't feel you did the same, or wanted to see any other side.

I can see you have strong opinions about those generations from the articles and your experience. 

But we'll move on ok?

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@on the bay, I would bet that there has been negative opinions about every single generation. It's low-hanging fruit for lazy writers.

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@suzyQ3  What is a "lazy writer"?

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@decaf, it's just what it sounds like.

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@suzyQ3   I wish I could say thanks for answering my question. But you chose not to.  Maybe that's what a "lazy writer' is.

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@decaf,your question wasn't a question; it was a comment. I can be fooled for sure, but I know the difference between the two.

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@suzyQ3  You're wrong, call me stupid if you want but please don't call me insincere.. It was a GENUINE question, I have no idea what a "lazy writer" is!  Still don't  I have no idea why you're being so unkind to me.

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@decaf   Sure looks like a question to me.  The sentence ended with a question mark so unless punctuation is now being canceled too-seems obvious it was a question.

Just sayin'.

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@Cakers3  Thank you for seeing that, I thought I was clear.  I've been fighting a really bad sinus infection, my head was already exploding without having to explain at great length that I wasn't posting encrypted messages. Lol. 

[Cakers3]

@decaf   Feel better soon! 

[decaf]

@Cakers3 Thank you, good old Sudafed and warm compresses are finally kicking in today.

[suzyQ3]

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

@decaf, for the record on my comment about lazy writers going after low-hanging fruit, I was NOT speaking of you but rather the authors of the sources that you were referring to. I thought that was clear, but apparently it was not.

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@suzyQ3  Your comment wasn't clear at all, That's the reason I asked you to clarify your post and then you rudely attacked me. At that point, of course I thought you meant me.   Who wouldn't?

Also, if you read my posts, I was clear my opinion was based on circumstances in the lives of my own family and friends.  Any articles/books I read on the subject  just confirmed what I was already witnessing. 

Eta- Let's move on..

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Thank you for your understanding, @decaf. Much appreciated. I'm so glad that I took the time to clarify my comment.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Zernia Rose wrote:

If multimillionaires and billionaires benefitted from a trillion dollar tax cut that increased the national debt to historic heights, billionaires paid little to no income tax, and CEOs received exceptionally large bonuses, then I will not begrudge poor and working to middle-class families receiving additional unemployment benefits, ACA coverage, mandatory minimum wages that are above the poverty line, and support for childcare. If companies, multimillionaires, and billionaires payed their fair share, then the rest of us would have significantly improved lives.

 BTW, Bezos paid less than 1% of the taxes one would expect and his company has a worker policy that expects significant turnover of workers. They will need to import workers because of the unrealistic workloads and time to complete those tasks. Companies like Walmart paid wages that were so low that workers depended on assistance for food, rent, etc.  Executves of the company realized that their wage levels needed enhancements.

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@Zernia Rosethank you.  The thing that baffles me is the support these people get from some people who have little.    What would make a person who isn't rich, or who has worked his/her whole life ~ to suddenly resent the people from your sub culture?  (Work class)?  It's quite ok to subsidize the rich; but your next door neighbor who you used to greet coming home in the evenings; who raised a family like you did; is met with shame and immense hatred if they fall on a hard time through no fault of their own?