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02-27-2020 02:55 PM
@jeanlake wrote:So much unresolved anger and hopelessness. Wish leaders took a serious look at our country's #19 standing (we keep getting lower each year) in the happiness scale. How does the following UN criteria relate to current America?
- the GDP per capita or gross domestic product - monetary value of all finished goods and services made within a country during a specific period
- healthy life expectancy
- generosity
- freedom from corruption
- having someone to count on
- freedom to make life choices
Not sure exactly what you are asking with your question.
hckynut
02-27-2020 03:01 PM
02-27-2020 03:01 PM
@hckynut wrote:
@jeanlake wrote:So much unresolved anger and hopelessness. Wish leaders took a serious look at our country's #19 standing (we keep getting lower each year) in the happiness scale. How does the following UN criteria relate to current America?
- the GDP per capita or gross domestic product - monetary value of all finished goods and services made within a country during a specific period
- healthy life expectancy
- generosity
- freedom from corruption
- having someone to count on
- freedom to make life choices
Not sure exactly what you are asking with your question.
hckynut
@hckynut @jeanlake
Seems like people want the government to make life choices for them now more than they want to make them themselves. . . just a comment. At least sometimes it seems that way to me.
Or the government wants to make those choices. . . I don't know, but seems like nobody is responsible for themselves nowdays.
I intend this as a perception about individuals of all political persuasions. So this is NOT intended as a political statement.
02-27-2020 03:04 PM
@Porcelain wrote:These arguments make no sense. If you go shoot a bunch of people, and then someone shoots you dead to stop you, doesn't that restrict your rights for the rest of time? I mean, if you're dead, you can't exercise any rights or freedoms at all.
The priorities seem upside down to me. We all deserve to live and exercise our rights.
@Porcelain I'm not following your logic. We do have the right to self-defense.
A person who initiates the kill takes the risk of his/her life being cut short. In most cases the shooter takes his own life anyway.
The shooter takes it upon himself to decide if his rights will be restricted.
If he is not killed or does not kill himself, his rights are restricted with prison time.
Either way, nobody took those rights away but himself.
02-27-2020 03:05 PM
@feline groovy wrote:Healthy coping skills must be taught during childhood or there will be lifelong implications.
I agree, and by their parents, not school teachers. Professionals yes, if needed.
hckynut
02-27-2020 03:07 PM
@Free2be wrote:Employers need to work with local police to meet these employees at their homes where firearms can be removed and the firing occuring immediately after. I'm sure "rights" advocates would shoot that down, pun not intended. But there are people who are known to their employers to be hot heads and it is reasonable to be able to be proactive for the safety of other employees.
How many people would be alive if this were possible? Of course, the fired employee could later get another firearm, or later have theirs returned, and shoot up the workplace but at least there would be time for a good cool down and the workplace would have time to set up safety features.
People get fired from jobs everyday all over the country.
02-27-2020 03:08 PM
@Free2be wrote:
@BExplorer wrote:
@Free2be wrote:Employers need to work with local police to meet these employees at their homes where firearms can be removed and the firing occuring immediately after. I'm sure "rights" advocates would shoot that down, pun not intended. But there are people who are known to their employers to be hot heads and it is reasonable to be able to be proactive for the safety of other employees.
How many people would be alive if this were possible? Of course, the fired employee could later get another firearm, or later have theirs returned, and shoot up the workplace but at least there would be time for a good cool down and the workplace would have time to set up safety features.
Exactly what right do the police have to take someone's guns because they have been fired/are about to be fired? There is no legislation in place that allows for that.
There's no perfect solution but something can be done, better than nothing.
What to you would be that "something"?
hckynut
02-27-2020 03:10 PM
@Cakers3 wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:These arguments make no sense. If you go shoot a bunch of people, and then someone shoots you dead to stop you, doesn't that restrict your rights for the rest of time? I mean, if you're dead, you can't exercise any rights or freedoms at all.
The priorities seem upside down to me. We all deserve to live and exercise our rights.
@Porcelain I'm not following your logic. We do have the right to self-defense.
A person who initiates the kill takes the risk of his/her life being cut short. In most cases the shooter takes his own life anyway.
The shooter takes it upon himself to decide if his rights will be restricted.
If he is not killed or does not kill himself, his rights are restricted with prison time.
Either way, nobody took those rights away but himself.
I don't think understanding my logic would do anything beneficial for you. Stay safe out there.
02-27-2020 03:11 PM
@hckynut Hello - just saw your post. I read this week where our country's happiness rating dropped another point this year and the criteria that plays into the rating. I'm not saying the gov't needs to make us happy but it's always good to explore what's behind all the frustration and violence. It's absolutely on the rise. We hear this phrase - people who think they have nothing to lose are the most dangerous citizens. I'm like others -- having trouble understanding motives and mindsets and hopelessness. I guess you could say I was thinking out loud.
02-27-2020 03:20 PM
@Porcelain wrote:
@Cakers3 wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:These arguments make no sense. If you go shoot a bunch of people, and then someone shoots you dead to stop you, doesn't that restrict your rights for the rest of time? I mean, if you're dead, you can't exercise any rights or freedoms at all.
The priorities seem upside down to me. We all deserve to live and exercise our rights.
@Porcelain I'm not following your logic. We do have the right to self-defense.
A person who initiates the kill takes the risk of his/her life being cut short. In most cases the shooter takes his own life anyway.
The shooter takes it upon himself to decide if his rights will be restricted.
If he is not killed or does not kill himself, his rights are restricted with prison time.
Either way, nobody took those rights away but himself.
I don't think understanding my logic would do anything beneficial for you. Stay safe out there.
@Porcelain I made a simple statement for the purpose of mature dialogue.
You could simply not reply instead of being insulting.
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