Apple, the FBI and unlocking a customer's phone - Page 3

Goldengate8361 · ‎01-27-2014

I'm totally with Apple on this one. The issue is much larger than this one incident. Tim Cook is correct.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@sharlee wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
This would seem like a no brainer. The deed was done, there is no question as to the phone's owners involvement, and if a judge has ordered it, it needs to be done.

This may contain information that could stop people that would do this same kind of harm or worse in the future.

Why do the simplest things seem so hard to get done sometimes?
Because what can seem simple isn't always. Some of the finest legal minds in the country are very divided on this.

Apple is essentially being asked to create a sort of "master key" that could be used on anybody's iphone, not just those belonging to terrorists.

And for my money, the whole "create the hacking software, use it once and destroy it" notion is naive in the extreme - the genie never goes back into the bottle.

@sharlee

I understand exactly what you are saying here. And I don't really disagree with it. That genie does never go back in the bottle.

But my guess would be that this type of 'master key' is already out there (or will be) for the bad guys anyway, so it is only a matter of time before they have what they need.

In the mean time, would we get valuable information to stop this kind of thing or worse? Maybe, maybe not.

Is there really a 'right' answer to questions and problems like this. I don't think so.

JustJazzmom · ‎03-09-2010

We could look at this as the government attempting to circumvent the 4th Amendment of search and seizure.

I side with Apple on this one.

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151949 · ‎03-09-2010

I can certainly see this from both sides but if Apple actually does this it would be creating a very slippery slope.

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@sharlee wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
This would seem like a no brainer. The deed was done, there is no question as to the phone's owners involvement, and if a judge has ordered it, it needs to be done.

This may contain information that could stop people that would do this same kind of harm or worse in the future.

Why do the simplest things seem so hard to get done sometimes?
Because what can seem simple isn't always. Some of the finest legal minds in the country are very divided on this.

Apple is essentially being asked to create a sort of "master key" that could be used on anybody's iphone, not just those belonging to terrorists.

And for my money, the whole "create the hacking software, use it once and destroy it" notion is naive in the extreme - the genie never goes back into the bottle.

I haven't read that the FBI is asking for a software program, and I haven't read that Apple *cannot* give them what they want without developing software. The FBI has just said do something in this one instance that will keep the OS from wiping the data on too many tries, or provide the password *for this device only.* It's Apple that keeps talking about the govt wanting them to develop a software program that can unlock all devices.

IMO it's Apple flexing their muscles, and even though am a member of Apple culture with several devices, I think this posture is a**inine.

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truffle · ‎01-04-2016

Tim Cook, the CEO needs to be thrown into jail for refusing a court order. The FBI made it very clear that Apple already KNOWS how to access the phone in question and sharing that with them would have no bearing on anyone else as it's specific to that particular phone. The FBI has a right to know who the terrorists were talking to as this information could prevent additional attacks.

Buck-i-Nana · ‎09-28-2010

@MaggieMack wrote:
So, if I forget my pass code, I'm screwed. Apple has no way to get me into my phone. Oh, that's right, I also have finger print entry. Maybe the FBI should look into getting into the phone that way.

I am on the FBI's side on this one. If I were Tim Cook, I wouldn't want future terrorist related deaths on me and my refusal to help. In the big picture, it's only a matter of time before SOMEone figures this out, I just hope they're on our side.

So, if this argument were applied to other mass killing situations, would you be all for circumventing other constitutional rights?

MaggieMack · ‎10-01-2014

I just heard a discussion on this. Apparently, in the 1990s there was a telecommunications act passed that prohibited any company from creating a phone that could not be wire tapped. This case is very similar. I think the court will side with the gov, as it should.

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Mom2Dogs · ‎03-09-2010

Can't Apple develop this software in a dark room...unlock just the phone in question and then destroy the software.....

Buck-i-Nana · ‎09-28-2010

@truffle wrote:
Tim Cook, the CEO needs to be thrown into jail for refusing a court order. The FBI made it very clear that Apple already KNOWS how to access the phone in question and sharing that with them would have no bearing on anyone else as it's specific to that particular phone. The FBI has a right to know who the terrorists were talking to as this information could prevent additional attacks.

We all know the government doesn't lie or exaggerate their case when it suits their purpose right?

What the government wants does NOT exist now. If you forgot your password, and didn't have fingerprint entry capability, then you would have to reset your phone and lose your data. It's that's simple, and it is spelled out clearly by apple.