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Re: Another side to the free rent issue


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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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You can sell a house with tenants.  It sounds like the friend was trying to evict them.


How about this - and google it if you don't believe it.

 

In CA, a couple bought a house and paid cash.  The owner then refused to leave - after receiving the cash and where there was absolutely NO agreement that he could stay beyond the closing.  I.E. he was NOT a renter.

 

The judge ruled they could not make him leave due to COVID.  Again, he was NOT a renter - and clearly he was not destitute since he had the full amount of the sale of the house in cash.

 

Everything is crazy now.  It almost doesn't matter what the law says or what makes sense - if judges rule in such a fashion and get away with it.


That was a scam pure and simple @Isobel Archer .  Nothing to do with free Covid rent. 

 

These scams have been on craigslist for years where people try to rent or sell homes they don't even own.  Years.  I tell you years this has been going on.  That's why officials tell people don't send money to anyone through the mail.


 

A California couple who purchased a home in cash a year ago has been unable to move in due to a coronavirus eviction moratorium loophole in the state.

 

Tracie and Myles Albert bought their four-bedroom Riverside, California, dream home in cash for $560,000 last year, but the previous owner has refused to move out despite having the money in his account.

 

The couple was shocked to learn that when they arrived at the home to move in, they were told by the seller that he had no intention of leaving.

 

Tracie told DailyMail.com that she and her husband paid the seller the entire sum in cash.

 

She said she was told by the Riverside County Sheriff's Office that in order to evict the seller, she needed to obtain a court order from a judge.

 

In order to obtain the court order, however, she needed to file paperwork with the county proving that the property belonged to her.

 

Tracie told DailyMail.com that by the time she had filed all of the paperwork to evict the seller, the state imposed its COVID-19 shutdown and there were no judges in the local courts that would execute  eviction notices.

 

 


That was a scam @Isobel Archer .  I'm going to see if I can find you another example.





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@Isobel Archer   You should read up about these scams.

 

The last thing consumers should worry about is being scammed when they buy or rent a home, or refinance a mortgage. Unfortunately, criminals are getting more creative in how they target consumers, leading to major financial headaches for their unsuspecting victims.

 

In 2018 alone, 11,300 victims reported real estate or rental fraud, resulting in losses of more than $149 million, according to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Internet Crime Complaint Center.

Many people are too embarrassed to file complaints, making it harder to catch the scammers who repeatedly victimize unwitting homeowners and home buyers, says Melinda Opperman, executive vice president of community outreach and industry relations with Credit.org — a nonprofit credit counseling agency and member of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling, or NFCC.   https://www.bankrate.com/mortgages

/avoid-real-estate-scams/

 

 

It’s unfortunate but true: Scammers, posing as would-be cash buyers, are out there. And these all-cash home sale scammers are hoping to swindle sellers — and their agents — out of their hard-earned cash.

Even if the details of the scams differ, one fact is common to them all: These cash buyers don’t really want to buy your home for sale in Sarasota, FL, or Philadelphia, PA. But they’ll work really hard to make you believe they do.

 

Scam #1: The buyer

The scenario: You get an email from a foreigner who wants to relocate to the United States. He might even explain why. This buyer says he saw your property on Trulia, loves it, and would like to buy it sight unseen … and for cash. He then offers to send you a cashier’s check. Usually, this scammer requests that you retain an attorney to handle the finances and asks you to recommend one. You’ll receive all the pertinent information: the person’s name, phone number, address, and when he would like to close. Unfortunately, you’ll never get the cash, and you might end up parting with some of yours.

 

If a cash offer seems too good to be true, it could be. Fortunately, there are warning signs to watch for.

 

https://www.trulia.com/blog/be-wary-of-your-all-cash-home-sale/#

 

 

 

Oliver Ellerbe thought he had found the perfect home for his aging parents.

 

The brick house in Katy, Texas, near Houston, was just a five-minute drive from his own home. At the time, his mother and father lived more than an hour away, near the city of Conroe. The distance began to pose a serious problem when his father’s liver cancer spread through his body and left him unable to move about on his own.

 

“It became very difficult,” Ellerbe, 44, said. “My wife and I were interested in bringing him closer to us.”

 

At a real estate auction, Ellerbe, who works in the petroleum industry, made the winning bid on the house: $150,050. The moving plans began.

A few days before the scheduled closing in February 2015, Ellerbe received an email, seemingly from his real estate agent at the firm Keller Williams, notifying him that the wiring instructions had changed. Soon after, he drove over to his bank and sent the $150,050 to the new bank address.

 

Then he left for a hunting trip with clients. “Nothing felt off,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/05/homebuyers-are-falling-for-this-scam-some-lose-their-life-savings.ht...

 

 

It is highly unlikely what happened in your scenario is any different than what has been going on for years.  Scammers have more reason to stay on their toes.  We're in a pandemic.  Caveat Emptor....

 

Everything I've ever read about these things also states it's as bad as identity theft.  Buyers have little to no recourse.





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@gertrudecloset  According to my attorney she would not have had a month to month tenancy because I never agreed  to allow her to stay past her lease. That's why she kept calling me to get me to agree to it . I never did .I just kept saying I'm not giving her permission to stay & I expected her to vacate by the end of May.It bothered her that if she stayed It would have been without permission so she left.

  I was also told not to cash any rent checks once the lease expired.To hold them until she left, then cash them. Once she saw that I didn't cash her check she was gone!!


@NicksmomESQYou only had a month to month tenancy if you cashed her checks after the end of the tenancy.  You did say she agreed to continue to pay, but you wanted her out for another reason. 

 

This doesn't sound like a free rent situation either.  Sounds more like she had a nice affordable place to live and got lucky.  If you live in NYS or anywhere around NYC you'd know she was no dummy and had no intentions of leaving such a nice set up unless she was dragged out.  Rent stabilized; rent controlled; all those programs people are never leaving.  Ever.  Who could blame them in NYC?  LOL.

 

Since she left two weeks after end of her lease did she pay you for the two weeks she was there?  That's equivalent to a month's rent.  If she paid it ~ you had a month to month tenancy. 

 

Good thing for NYC is rents are being lowered all over because there's a lot of housing stock out there.

 

 





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@gertrudecloset I wasn't looking for any "hidden agenda" or was reading between the lines. I simply addressed the topics that I took from the OP post and presented them as the issues we are aware of and have had to deal with ourselves both as landlords and as tenants in two different states. Her post rang true with me on those levels and nothing more.

 

Beyond that, I don't care to play games. I'm IN this mess of a housing nightmare; don't care what caused it because right now, we have to DEAL with it. EOD.

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Re: Another side to the free rent issue


@gertrudecloset wrote:

@Isobel Archer wrote:

@gertrudecloset wrote:

@Isobel Archer wrote:

@qbetzforreal wrote:

You can sell a house with tenants.  It sounds like the friend was trying to evict them.


How about this - and google it if you don't believe it.

 

In CA, a couple bought a house and paid cash.  The owner then refused to leave - after receiving the cash and where there was absolutely NO agreement that he could stay beyond the closing.  I.E. he was NOT a renter.

 

The judge ruled they could not make him leave due to COVID.  Again, he was NOT a renter - and clearly he was not destitute since he had the full amount of the sale of the house in cash.

 

Everything is crazy now.  It almost doesn't matter what the law says or what makes sense - if judges rule in such a fashion and get away with it.


That was a scam pure and simple @Isobel Archer .  Nothing to do with free Covid rent. 

 

These scams have been on craigslist for years where people try to rent or sell homes they don't even own.  Years.  I tell you years this has been going on.  That's why officials tell people don't send money to anyone through the mail.


 

A California couple who purchased a home in cash a year ago has been unable to move in due to a coronavirus eviction moratorium loophole in the state.

 

Tracie and Myles Albert bought their four-bedroom Riverside, California, dream home in cash for $560,000 last year, but the previous owner has refused to move out despite having the money in his account.

 

The couple was shocked to learn that when they arrived at the home to move in, they were told by the seller that he had no intention of leaving.

 

Tracie told DailyMail.com that she and her husband paid the seller the entire sum in cash.

 

She said she was told by the Riverside County Sheriff's Office that in order to evict the seller, she needed to obtain a court order from a judge.

 

In order to obtain the court order, however, she needed to file paperwork with the county proving that the property belonged to her.

 

Tracie told DailyMail.com that by the time she had filed all of the paperwork to evict the seller, the state imposed its COVID-19 shutdown and there were no judges in the local courts that would execute  eviction notices.

 

 


That was a scam @Isobel Archer .  I'm going to see if I can find you another example.


@gertrudecloset  @Isobel Archer : After 15 months, they got into their home. Not a scam.  Just a scammer who took advantage of a situation meant to helppeople in need.

 

"A Southern California couple who closed on a $560,000 dream home weeks before the COVID-19 pandemic finally took control of the house after the former owner used a ban on evictions to squat inside the home for 15 months."- from MSN

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@gertrudecloset  She didn't "agree to pay rent". She said she would continue to past her lease. I didn't respond.I just kept telling her she had to leave. I never cashed her last rent check. My attorney returned it to her after she left.
  By not vacating the property on time she forfeited her security deposit. There was a clause in her lease that specified she would lose her deposit if she overstayed her lease without permission.This was not a month to month tenancy per my attorney who is an expert in landlord tenant matters.I never accepted her last months rent I kept her security deposit instead. Security is not considered rent.

  This condo was in the suburbs & was not subject to rent control. 

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@fthunt wrote:

WHEW....I read most of this 'document'...........and feel no smarter than when I began.

 

LOL


 

@fthunt  I didn't read it and I feel the same way you do.

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@FiddleDeeDee wrote:

@gertrudecloset I wasn't looking for any "hidden agenda" or was reading between the lines. I simply addressed the topics that I took from the OP post and presented them as the issues we are aware of and have had to deal with ourselves both as landlords and as tenants in two different states. Her post rang true with me on those levels and nothing more.

 

Beyond that, I don't care to play games. I'm IN this mess of a housing nightmare; don't care what caused it because right now, we have to DEAL with it. EOD.


@FiddleDeeDeeWhen I made that statement, I made it for those posts who are blatantly attempting to introduce an agenda.  Thus, my reason for saying it's Saturday somewhere in here too.  Some posts are soooo not supposed to be here.  I didn't say that to YOU anyway.  If I thought you were doing that; I would have mentioned your name. 





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@qbetzforreal wrote:

@gertrudecloset wrote:

@Isobel Archer wrote:

@gertrudecloset wrote:

@Isobel Archer wrote:

@qbetzforreal wrote:

You can sell a house with tenants.  It sounds like the friend was trying to evict them.


How about this - and google it if you don't believe it.

 

In CA, a couple bought a house and paid cash.  The owner then refused to leave - after receiving the cash and where there was absolutely NO agreement that he could stay beyond the closing.  I.E. he was NOT a renter.

 

The judge ruled they could not make him leave due to COVID.  Again, he was NOT a renter - and clearly he was not destitute since he had the full amount of the sale of the house in cash.

 

Everything is crazy now.  It almost doesn't matter what the law says or what makes sense - if judges rule in such a fashion and get away with it.


That was a scam pure and simple @Isobel Archer .  Nothing to do with free Covid rent. 

 

These scams have been on craigslist for years where people try to rent or sell homes they don't even own.  Years.  I tell you years this has been going on.  That's why officials tell people don't send money to anyone through the mail.


 

A California couple who purchased a home in cash a year ago has been unable to move in due to a coronavirus eviction moratorium loophole in the state.

 

Tracie and Myles Albert bought their four-bedroom Riverside, California, dream home in cash for $560,000 last year, but the previous owner has refused to move out despite having the money in his account.

 

The couple was shocked to learn that when they arrived at the home to move in, they were told by the seller that he had no intention of leaving.

 

Tracie told DailyMail.com that she and her husband paid the seller the entire sum in cash.

 

She said she was told by the Riverside County Sheriff's Office that in order to evict the seller, she needed to obtain a court order from a judge.

 

In order to obtain the court order, however, she needed to file paperwork with the county proving that the property belonged to her.

 

Tracie told DailyMail.com that by the time she had filed all of the paperwork to evict the seller, the state imposed its COVID-19 shutdown and there were no judges in the local courts that would execute  eviction notices.

 

 


That was a scam @Isobel Archer .  I'm going to see if I can find you another example.


@gertrudecloset  @Isobel Archer : After 15 months, they got into their home. Not a scam.  Just a scammer who took advantage of a situation meant to help people in need.

 

"A Southern California couple who closed on a $560,000 dream home weeks before the COVID-19 pandemic finally took control of the house after the former owner used a ban on evictions to squat inside the home for 15 months."- from MSN


 

Doesn't matter how we slice it up.  It was a scam!   You know the old saying:  No good deed goes unpunished.  It was a Scam.  People who have no empathy towards others don't care what's going toattempt to commit fradulent acts.  Covid 19 probably made it easier for them @qbetzforreal .

 

One of the biggest scams I've ever heard of just happened with the Pipeline.  $5MM ransom money was paid to get it back up and running.





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@NicksmomESQ wrote:

@gertrudecloset  She didn't "agree to pay rent". She said she would continue to past her lease. I didn't respond.I just kept telling her she had to leave. I never cashed her last rent check. My attorney returned it to her after she left.
  By not vacating the property on time she forfeited her security deposit. There was a clause in her lease that specified she would lose her deposit if she overstayed her lease without permission.This was not a month to month tenancy per my attorney who is an expert in landlord tenant matters.I never accepted her last months rent I kept her security deposit instead. Security is not considered rent.

  This condo was in the suburbs & was not subject to rent control. 


@NicksmomESQOK, so for that two weeks she didn't give you rent?  OK.  That wasn't clear to me. Because if she had given you a new month's rent after her lease with no new one; it would have been considered a month to month.  Yes...until such time as you were able to evict her.  Whether or not you told her you didn't want her there. 

 

Lucky for you she left.  Evictions in NYS must go through the courts.  No lease ok!  Still no problem.  She's still there after lease and still paying you and you keep it = month to month.  You've clarified that's not the case though because she forfeited her SS. 

 

Thanks for clarifying.  You shared an interesting case!

 

 

 

 





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