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[hckynutjohn]

@scatcat 

Circles? Stick around a few more years, and if you are still interested, maybe you will figure it out. =^..^=

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[Isobel Archer]

I just find it so interesting that when someone shoots anyone - especially in a school - the anger is focused on guns rather than the shooter.

In the examples I've given of other types of violence - again instead of anger at the perpetrators of the violence, I get an explanation that it doesn't compare to the violence done by guns (note "done by guns" and apparently not by the violent person using the gun.)

And the "solution" is never to punish the criminals, but instead to eliminate guns.

And at the same time that people want more laws outlawing guns, they don't actually want to enforce said laws against criminals who violate them.

Apparently because criminals are not responsible - guns are.

Talk about absurdity.

[stevieb]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

I just find it so interesting that when someone shoots anyone - especially in a school - the anger is focused on guns rather than the shooter.

In the examples I've given of other types of violence - again instead of anger at the perpetrators of the violence, I get an explanation that it doesn't compare to the violence done by guns (note "done by guns" and apparently not by the violent person using the gun.)

And the "solution" is never to punish the criminals, but instead to eliminate guns.

And at the same time that people want more laws outlawing guns, they don't actually want to enforce said laws against criminals who violate them.

Apparently because criminals are not responsible - guns are.

Talk about absurdity.

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@Isobel Archer  This happens often involving those with a certain ideology, narrative, whatever you want to call it, who only look to confirm their existing beliefs and mantras. They, unfortunately, see the forest but rarely the trees and believe me, I'm no proponent of guns, but I am able to see that they are but a part of the problem

[Mersha]

@Isobel Archer   Of course the criminals are responsible for the crimes they commit.  To think otherwise is ridiculous.

Yes, they should be prosecuted for said crimes but that comes AFTER the crime has been committed...AFTER.

Sadly, the rampant availability of weapons, whether automatic or otherwise, allows for more carnage to be done during the crime.

The logical solution would be to strongly limit the availability of weapons, especially automatic as we once had in this country, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

[Isobel Archer]

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@Mersha wrote:

@Isobel Archer   Of course the criminals are responsible for the crimes they commit.  To think otherwise is ridiculous.

Yes, they should be prosecuted for said crimes but that comes AFTER the crime has been committed...AFTER.

Sadly, the rampant availability of weapons, whether automatic or otherwise, allows for more carnage to be done during the crime.

The logical solution would be to strongly limit the availability of weapons, especially automatic as we once had in this country, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

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Well, unfortuanately a great many people do think otherwise in terms of whether criminals should actually be prosecuted and face jail for their crimes.

This particular student had already broken the law concerning guns and was allowed to break it again - this time injuring innocent people.

So what good are your gun laws if they aren't enforced?

It's also interesting that you emphasize punishing criminals AFTER they commit crimes.  Again this student had ALREADY committed a gun crime for which he was not punished.

Then you also say that guns - whether automatic or otherwise - should not be readily available.  So apparently you are fine with punishing law abiding gun owners by restricting their access BEFORE they commit a crime.

Again criminals get a pass, law abiding people should be punished.

Makes no sense.

[Mersha]

@Isobel Archer   Any crime committed that has gone through the judicial process and the defendant is found guilty should suffer the consequences.

I am so sick of gun owners ranting about their rights being violated if they do not have access to guns/automatic, war like weapons.

What on earth has happened to citizens' rights not to be murdered. 

You might feel differently if a relative, friend or neighbor is gunned down...you know, when it hits close to home.

We can go round and round all day and nothing will change.  We should just stop and agree to disagree.

[Isobel Archer]

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@Mersha wrote:

@Isobel Archer   Any crime committed that has gone through the judicial process and the defendant is found guilty should suffer the consequences.

I am so sick of gun owners ranting about their rights being violated if they do not have access to guns/automatic, war like weapons.

What on earth has happened to citizens' rights not to be murdered. 

You might feel differently if a relative, friend or neighbor is gunned down...you know, when it hits close to home.

We can go round and round all day and nothing will change.  We should just stop and agree to disagree.

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I am well aware of my chances of being gunned down - or assaulted on the metro or being carjacked and I have little doubt that if that happens it will be at the hands of someone who has commited previous crimes who was out of jail to do it again.

It is not likely that it will be a law abiding gun owner who does any of these things.

[hckynutjohn]

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@Mersha wrote:

@Isobel Archer   Of course the criminals are responsible for the crimes they commit.  To think otherwise is ridiculous.

Yes, they should be prosecuted for said crimes but that comes AFTER the crime has been committed...AFTER.

Sadly, the rampant availability of weapons, whether automatic or otherwise, allows for more carnage to be done during the crime.

The logical solution would be to strongly limit the availability of weapons, especially automatic as we once had in this country, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

@Mersha 

There was an Automatic Weapons Ban from 1994-2004. It was not reinstated. How effective it was, like differences now, is subjective to the one reading it. For me the result in reducing deaths from automatic weapons was far from a success when in comes to gun deaths.

Anyone that follows the facts when it comes to gun deaths,  knows that Suicide, not Homicide, is responsible for 54% of gun deaths in the United States.

"The rampant availability". Some states that have most laws, and make it much harder to legally own a gun! Have the highest rates of gun crimes. As another poster mentioned, if the "laws on the books are not being enforced, how is adding more laws going to help"?

Unlike what is now going on in our country, a person commits a crime first, and then is arrested. Not looking for a crime, and then arresting a specific person for the crime looked for! The old "innocent until proven guilty". 

No matter how many laws are on the books, or how stringent the rules are to legally possess a gun. Criminals will always find a way to get a gun. 

I agree, "prosecute to the fullest extent of the law". In some cities right now, a criminal can rob a store/point a gun at the employee/get arrested, but. If said criminal did not fire the gun , it is classified as a misdemeanor. No bond, back on the street.

One would think it would be easier to project that a person will commit suicide, by those around them, than?  Project that someone, anyone carrying a gun is going to commit a crime. Yet suicide is responsible for 54% of gun deaths in our country.

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[Mersha]

If reinstituting an automatic weapons ban prevented 1 massacre or saved some lives, wouldn't it be worth doing so?

This carnage has to stop.

[Isobel Archer]

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@Mersha wrote:

If reinstituting an automatic weapons ban prevented 1 massacre or saved some lives, wouldn't it be worth doing so?

This carnage has to stop.

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How many murders do you think would be prevented if recidivist criminals were incarcerated the first time?

Stop focusuing on inanimate objects instead of  the folks actually committing the murders.