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@skatting44 wrote:

   @JeanLouiseFinch 

 

    Your umbrage is out of line with what I said .

  I  was comparing oranges to oranges .

  Both professions  one must pay for formal education, both must pay for  a license ( nurses now bi yearly  @ $165 )  along with background check fees  and  pay for mandatory continuing education hours .

 Registered Nurse pay ranges

  • 75th Percentile: ~$48.60 per hour
  • Top 90% (Highly Experienced): $62.21+ per hour

 

 

 I said that hair stylists

" They just need to charge an appropriate rate  for their services . 

By that I meant  taking in consideration  of their business expenses , but doesn't everyone who has a job  have  expenses to  beable to work ?

 

In my area hair stylists charges abt $100 an hour ."

 So, is that  $100 an hour enough for a stylist to charge ?

 


@skatting44 - First if all, BOTH pay for their education and training.   The requirements may be different but they both still pay.  Hairstylist have to pass a state board in order to practice, have to pay to keep their license current, and pay for their own continuing education. You really seem to be looking down your nose at the hairstyling profession.  Your suggestion of the stylist owing the client a tip is tacky and insulting.  How quickly one forgets when the stylist came in early or stayed late, to accommodate them, or shaved a little off the bill as a kindness.  Or when they wept with the client who was going through chemo and asked for their head to be shaved.  Or when they have lent a listening ear to the client who is struggling with one thing or another but then have to be perky and welcoming to the next person who sits in their chair.  

 

I’m saying a stylist should be able to charge according to their level of expertise.  A beginner should not make the same as a master stylist.  I doubt any stylist anywhere consistently makes $100/hr. every time they work unless they are at a very hoyty-toyty salon in a big metropolitan area.  My daughter is a master stylist.  She can have back to back colors all day one day and just a few haircuts the next while hoping a good walk-in shows up.  Or she could have someone in her book and they cancel at the last minute and have to reschedule.

 

The two professions, nursing and hairstyling, cannot be compared apples to apples or oranges to oranges when it comes to wages.  A nurse is paid an hourly rate and the paycheck is calculated (minus withholding) for the hours clocked during the pay period regardless if he/she has a low or high census on any given day.  A hairstylist has no guaranteed income for just showing up.  He/she charges by the service performed whether it’s a child’s haircut or a long hair specialty color with toner, conditioning treatment, cut, blow dry, style, eyebrows, etc.  A simple haircut could cost $35 and they are done in 20 minutes.  If they have no other clients in the remaining 40 minutes, that means they only made $35/hr.  If it’s a slow day with no other appointments for a couple hours, then the stylist only made $17.50/hr.  Or that big service could be the only client all day so a $240 service in a 6 hour shift comes down to $40/hr.  Walk-in clients are shared among all the stylists in rotation and it all luck.  One stylist may get a walk-in haircut and someone else may get a walk-in color.  And, keep in mind, the hairstylist doesn’t keep the entire amount of the charge for any service.  The shop (or shop owner) gets a portion of that service so the stylist’s actual income is about 50-60% of what I just calculated and they still have to pay their taxes out of that.

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@skatting44  I hear this. Before moving to Florida, I could get a full hair highlight with my long dark hair for under $300.00 and would be there 2-3 hours. Here in Florida, it would be around $600.00+ I can't, and won't pay this. I can at least color my own roots anyway.  

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@JeanLouiseFinch 

 

     Not looking down on any stylists profession  . 

 

   

I said  the stylists  need to charge appropriately for their services  however all the info  abt their expenses to work  " outweighing "   anyone else in a different profession that also requires  formal education , pass state board exams,  reqires  yrly/biyearly licensure  renewal  and continuing education , paying their state & federal taxes, medicae/medicaid taxes is what I don't get . We all have/had many expenses to work no matter the profession. 

 

I don't get  all the tipping , just charge what is necessary .

Seems to me the salons have drifferent fees for service  for different stylists  and it's up to the shop owner to set prices so that it's a win win for the owner ( who is footing the electric & water bill & salon dwelling ) and stylists renting a chair.

 

I paid $220 in the salon for the same hair service that I now receive from the stylist who works from home and I pay her $220 for 2 hrs of work.

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In honor of my departed friend I will leave the spelling mistake below.  He would laugh and tell everyone he also had a "saloon!"  
@Sooner wrote:

I had the most wonderful salon owner and hair stylist.  Delightful human, talented and saloon owner.  I gave him a well-deserved tip always.  Then heard you shouldn't tip the owner.

 

So next time I tipped him I asked him if he was offended because he was the owner.  He stepped back, looked at me and then just laughed and said "Honey!  I am NEVER offended by money!"  It was a joke then and we always laughed about it.  

 

I sure do miss him, and so does my hair.  


 

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@skatting44   lol, @skatting44   You can't possibly think she takes home that 220 you paid her.  How is that possible?  Whether she rents her own station, or works for an employer...she pays taxes, federal and state if applicable, her SS, and all other taxes. She pays for her insurance, supplies, etc. even if you work for an employer you carry personal liability insurance, or should . Employers also vary commissions. Some get half or more of they make. If they are renting a chair, they pay rent here it's over 1000 and up) I would say if your stylist was pid 220 for a service, she might take home 80. All stylists aren't booked 24/7. Some are. When it is slow, you pay same rent, pay same bills...you just take home less, or sometimes nothing. Just sayin.  Things are way expensive today.  When I worked as a stylist I made 7 bux a cut. This was high end salon...others were 4.75-5.50 for a cut. You could go to barber for 3 bux. I agree things are high, tipping is high.  It is what it is. I see a new wave of no tipping at some salons. 

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@KittySoftPaws wrote:

@skatting44  I hear this. Before moving to Florida, I could get a full hair highlight with my long dark hair for under $300.00 and would be there 2-3 hours. Here in Florida, it would be around $600.00+ I can't, and won't pay this. I can at least color my own roots anyway.  


wow thats alot.. and i thought my salon was pricey... mines cheap compared to yours

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@shoekitty 

 

   The hair stylist that does my hair works from home now and I pay her the same amt  $220 for sames service & as when she worked in the salon .

 

 Again,  I don't get why people think hair stylists are the only people who pay payroll  taxes on their wages or liability insurance , license fees, ect .

 The scale for  Registered Nurse is abt $62  hr pre  taxed dollars  and out of that they have many expenses to go to work , so hair stylists are not the only ones .

 

  Hair stylists have the power to change  what ever the rules are regarding their compensation .  Why don't they just renegotiate  with salon owners for  the amt of pay that is a win win for them & salon owner .

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For all the above, factor in Social Security, retirement plan and health care.  Makes a huge difference in any assessment of pay. 

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I routinely tip my hair stylist and manicurist, but I do not tip because the hair stylist has "business expenses." So do most of us. In addition to a private practice, I have been employed by educational and health care facilities. I have a graduate degree and held licenses in two professional health care fields. My required professional expenses included initial certifications and annual state licenses and national accreditation fees, along with continuing education fees and malpractice insurance in addition to personal health insurance, taxes, Social Security, etc.  I also bought items to enhance the quality of my care, items not covered by my employer. When I had a private practice, I did not expect higher fees from others to accommodate any "down" time I might have. I never got a tip and certainly, as a professional person, would have refused it if I did. I accepted only small gifts of appreciation and usually donated those. While I tip in a beauty salon as  it is customary, I would prefer higher fees over the routine expectation of tips. That would make the stylist more akin to a true "professional." The depth of training and experience to be a good hair stylist is substantial, as is his/her professional skill. In my opinion, hair stylists should establish fees in a "professional" manner, charging a flat rate for the skilled service that they provide.