And we have another cruise issue - Page 2

Hoovermom · ‎03-19-2010

@BrandiDavis wrote:
@Hoovermom wrote:
I just returned from my hematologist appointment this morning. My doctor is very renowned and works at a large hospital. I told him I was planning on a cruise this weekend but needed his advice on this trip. He told me that he thought it would be fine for me to go but use the necessary precautions that would be used during the flu season. He gave me some signs to watch for and to call if I needed anything from him. DH and I plan on going unless the cruise line cancels. We don't want to live our lives in fear but realize we have to be responsible for our own health.
@Hoovermom I'm just curious and if you don't mind me asking are over the age of 60? Only reason I ask is because I just saw on the news from the CDC stating that anyone over the age of 60 should NOT go to any large gatherings or be in confined spaces (cruises, airplanes for an extended period, etc)

They were stating that it was NOT advised unless it was absolutely necessary. I'm sorry, but a CRUISE isn't absolutely necessary imo. I've never been on one, but I have no desire to either even if I could afford it. Anyways, please make the right decision for you and your DH. I'm sorry, but I would NOT listen to my dr in this situation. Period. He might not be aware of the current advisory.

@BrandiDavis : Thank you for your concern. My doctor is very prominent in his field and mentioned all of the precautions. I am listening to him because he saved my life years ago. We talked about it today and how far I have come. He knows Dr. Fauci and we discussed his recommendations. Again, I am trusting my doctor. I believe you left off part of the CDC's suggestion was for people over 60 WHO HAD CHRONIC health issues should ....................................

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@Anonymous032819 wrote:
@Lipstickdiva wrote:
Apparently 3 people who work for Metro Cruise Services at Port Everglades have tested positive for COVID-19.

Anyone who has traveled through this port over the last 14 days is being told to self-isolate and contact their health department.

I belong to a number of FB cruise groups and the attitude by some is amazing. One woman just stated her husband had open heart in June, is over 60 and diabetic but they are cruising this weekend anyhow. One woman just got back and is quarantined for 2 weeks, not sure if her employer made her do that or what but she doesn't care because now she can sit at home in her pjs and work.

Many arguments and nasty comments over there between those who are canceling and those who are going and think this is all overblown hype.

Well, what do you expect her do while at home for the two weeks?

@Anonymous032819, I don't really care what she does for 2 weeks. It's her I don't care attitude about the whole thing and the fact that she seems to think it's a treat to be in quarantine "suffering at home in her pjs for 2 weeks." No care in the world that she may have been exposed to this or how many others may have been exposed.

chrystaltree · ‎05-10-2010

It's not easy, it's hard thing for everyone. It's not like anything any of us have ever dealt with before. On the one hand, it is NOT a deadly disease. The vast majority of the people who get it will either have no symptoms at all or they wil have cold/flu type symptoms. On the other hand, it can be deadly for people who are in the over 60 demographic or have specific health challenges. Some people, who should be concerned are in denial. The woman you referred to is in denial. She knows her husband most definitely should not go on cruise but she wants to go and the fact is that very few cruise ships have been affected. Just a drop in the bucket when you consider all the many, many cruise ships that are out there sailing the seas with no COVID 19. Everyone is just doing the best they can do with what information they have. I don't know why you are throwing arrows at the woman who self quarantined or was told to. She's doing the right and responsible thing.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@Hoovermom wrote:
@Lipstickdiva wrote:
@Hoovermom wrote:
I just returned from my hematologist appointment this morning. My doctor is very renowned and works at a large hospital. I told him I was planning on a cruise this weekend but needed his advice on this trip. He told me that he thought it would be fine for me to go but use the necessary precautions that would be used during the flu season. He gave me some signs to watch for and to call if I needed anything from him. DH and I plan on going unless the cruise line cancels. We don't want to live our lives in fear but realize we have to be responsible for our own health.
@Hoovermom, you have to do what you are comfortable doing but for me, there is no way I would go. I am booked for an end of April cruise and I will wait to see if on the off chance things settle down. Otherwise, no way am I going.

Besides the fact that I have no faith that people will be honest about being ill when boarding, etc., there is no way I want to disembark at a port and not be allowed to embark again for some reason or another. I don't want to end up quarantined off ship in a foreign country or even worse, stuck on a ship under quarantine. I don't want to be denied entry to ports and end up on a cruise to nowhere.

I cannot afford to come home and find out we have to self isolate for 14 days, minimum.

@Lipstickdiva : You have to do what you are comfortable with. I think it is wrong to accuse others of being inconsiderate if they take another course. We are all responsible for ourselves and cannot make others do what we wish they would do.

@Hoovermom, I didn't call anyone inconsiderate here. I just said for me personally, I'm not comfortable going. And I'm 52 with no health issues. It's other people I just don't trust.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@Vivian wrote:
Apparently, CDC and NIH doctors wanted to issue a statement telling those at risk, particularly senior citizens, not only to avoid cruises but also to avoid flying. The latter was vetoed by certain government officials. That tells me something I already knew. We are not getting a complete story. One reason for that is we need more tests and we need to gather information more coherently...and disseminate it clearly to the public.

My point here is that right now we have to make decisions on travel, as well as other things, based on the information we currently have, the messenger who provides that information, and the personal risks that we assess. Those congressmen who self- quarantined after contact with someone who has the virus want to protect others. On the other hand, one congressman who was with the man who's sick decided he will continue going to work. Something similar happened in Iran and several members of their parliament are now ill and one or two died.

@Vivian, Dr. Fauci was very clear on Sunday when he recommended that people not cruise. At the news conference last night, he backed off that statement and I have to wonder why. I can only guess he got pushback from someone or a group and changed his tune slightly.

And I will also say that there is something about the US Surgeon General I'm having a hard time with as well. I just don't think he's being forthright.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Lipstickdiva wrote:
@Hoovermom wrote:
I just returned from my hematologist appointment this morning. My doctor is very renowned and works at a large hospital. I told him I was planning on a cruise this weekend but needed his advice on this trip. He told me that he thought it would be fine for me to go but use the necessary precautions that would be used during the flu season. He gave me some signs to watch for and to call if I needed anything from him. DH and I plan on going unless the cruise line cancels. We don't want to live our lives in fear but realize we have to be responsible for our own health.
@Hoovermom, you have to do what you are comfortable doing but for me, there is no way I would go. I am booked for an end of April cruise and I will wait to see if on the off chance things settle down. Otherwise, no way am I going.

Besides the fact that I have no faith that people will be honest about being ill when boarding, etc., there is no way I want to disembark at a port and not be allowed to embark again for some reason or another. I don't want to end up quarantined off ship in a foreign country or even worse, stuck on a ship under quarantine. I don't want to be denied entry to ports and end up on a cruise to nowhere.

I cannot afford to come home and find out we have to self isolate for 14 days, minimum.

@Lipstickdiva

Whenever I hear 'cruise' on TV, I always think of you & your upcoming

travels. I'm glad you're thinking about not going.

April is still a ways off..but I've heard of the radio (sorry, no sources)

that many cruise lines have eliminated the reschedule fees...

so that's good.

I was scheduled to go to Nebraska to see my elderly mother in a

nursing home in the upcoming week, but decided against it.

There's too big of a risk I could infect her or the other residents

even though *I* feel fine.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@chrystaltree wrote:
It's not easy, it's hard thing for everyone. It's not like anything any of us have ever dealt with before. On the one hand, it is NOT a deadly disease. The vast majority of the people who get it will either have no symptoms at all or they wil have cold/flu type symptoms. On the other hand, it can be deadly for people who are in the over 60 demographic or have specific health challenges. Some people, who should be concerned are in denial. The woman you referred to is in denial. She knows her husband most definitely should not go on cruise but she wants to go and the fact is that very few cruise ships have been affected. Just a drop in the bucket when you consider all the many, many cruise ships that are out there sailing the seas with no COVID 19. Everyone is just doing the best they can do with what information they have. I don't know why you are throwing arrows at the woman who self quarantined or was told to. She's doing the right and responsible thing.

@chrystaltree, I commend her for the self-quarantine. As I said, I have no idea if her employer made her do that or what the reason was for that. My issue as I stated above was her attitude over it.

Porcelain · ‎02-19-2014

If the virus deniers and hoaxers all want to cruise together, that's fine by me. At least they'll be isolated and if they get ill, they will be more easy to treat and quarantine. If they weren't cruising, they could be running around thoughtlessly infecting healthy people.

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Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@sidsmom, Royal Caribbean is allowing cancellations up to 48 hours in advance. We will receive a 100% refund by way of a voucher to cruise through December 2021, in the event we have to cancel. I don't believe we will have a problem with United or Southwest either as airlines seem to be waving fees and allowing people to change flights. Even if they give us a hard time, I'm more than willing to eat the cost of the airfare. It's not worth our health.

chrystaltree · ‎05-10-2010

@Lipstickdiva wrote:
@Vivian wrote:
Apparently, CDC and NIH doctors wanted to issue a statement telling those at risk, particularly senior citizens, not only to avoid cruises but also to avoid flying. The latter was vetoed by certain government officials. That tells me something I already knew. We are not getting a complete story. One reason for that is we need more tests and we need to gather information more coherently...and disseminate it clearly to the public.

My point here is that right now we have to make decisions on travel, as well as other things, based on the information we currently have, the messenger who provides that information, and the personal risks that we assess. Those congressmen who self- quarantined after contact with someone who has the virus want to protect others. On the other hand, one congressman who was with the man who's sick decided he will continue going to work. Something similar happened in Iran and several members of their parliament are now ill and one or two died.
@Vivian, Dr. Fauci was very clear on Sunday when he recommended that people not cruise. At the news conference last night, he backed off that statement and I have to wonder why. I can only guess he got pushback from someone or a group and changed his tune slightly.

And I will also say that there is something about the US Surgeon General I'm having a hard time with as well. I just don't think he's being forthright.

I think Fauci backed off on the "no one" should go on a cruise because it was an extreme stance that no other epidemiologist or researcher or physician was making. I don't know how many cruise ships there are in the world, but I think thousands and instances of COVID 19 is less than a handful. Yes, there are some people who should not take the risk but that is by far not "everyone". There's no reason why a heathy 40 year old or 25 year old should avoid a cruise.