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‎01-25-2014 09:20 PM
Apparently, Mormons are baptizing deceased Jews. Here's an article about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead
‎01-25-2014 09:35 PM
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‎01-25-2014 09:47 PM
On 1/25/2014 Linders Back said:On 1/25/2014 ~foundinlv~ said:Apparently, Mormons are baptizing deceased Jews. Here's an article about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead
Read the article. The entire article. That is not the whole story.
They are not baptizing anyone other than ancestors of Mormon Church members. So if a current Mormon is descended from say a Mayflower passenger, and Italian Catholic immigrant, or a Jewish person, they will baptize all the descendents in that line so that all will "have the opportunity to be" admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven, but in Heaven, all of those people will have the opportunity to decide for themselves whether to accept the baptism or not.
This is the operative part:
"While members of the LDS Church consider it a great service to perform vicarious ordinances for the deceased, some non-members have taken offense. To be sensitive to the issue of proxy baptizing for non-Mormons that are not related to church members, the church in recent years has published a general policy of performing temple ordinances only for ancestors of church members. For example, the church is in the process of removing sensitive names (such as Jewish Holocaust victims) from its International Genealogical Index (IGI)"
In any case, This has nothing to do with ancestry.com.
‎01-25-2014 10:44 PM
I wouldn't give out any information, but who knows who (distant cousins, etc.) is. With the millions of identity theft cases here and everywhere, I'm thinking that the more personal info we put out there, the more problems. JMO 'Goes the same' with all social Web groups. Kids shouldn't be posting their photos, their schools, their after school activities, etc.
‎01-25-2014 10:57 PM
There seems to be many misconceptions regarding this site. As I mentioned before, my family has been members for over ten years. My mother's maiden name was quite unusual while my father's surname was quite common. It was very exciting to see the origins of my mother's family name.
We haven't given out any personal information and out family tree is private, open only to family by invitation only.
‎01-25-2014 11:21 PM
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints performs vicarious baptisms for individuals regardless of their race, gender, creed, religion, or morality. Some members of the LDS Church have been baptized for both victims and perpetrators of the Holocaust, including Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler, contrary to Church policy.[42] Some Jewish Holocaust survivors and some Jewish organizations have objected to this practice.
The LDS Church has urged members to submit the names of only their own ancestors for ordinances, and to request permission of surviving family members of people who have died within the past 95 years.[43] Hundreds of thousands of improperly submitted names not adhering to this policy have been removed from the records of the church.[44] Latter-day Saint apostle Boyd K. Packer has stated the LDS Church is clear that it uses the public records it collects for temple ordinance work.[45]
Despite the guidelines, some members of the church have submitted names without adequate permission. In December 2002, independent researcher Helen Radkey published a report showing that, following a 1995 promise from the church to remove Jewish Holocaust victims from its International Genealogical Index, the church's database included the names of about 19,000 who had a 40 to 50 percent chance "to be Holocaust victims ... in Russia, Poland, France, and Austria."[46][47] Genealogist Bernard Kouchel conducted a search of the International Genealogical Index, and discovered that many well known Jews had been vicariously baptized, including Maimonides, Albert Einstein, and Irving Berlin, without family permission.[48][49]
Church official D. Todd Christofferson told the New York Times that the church expends massive amounts of resources attempting to purge improperly submitted names, but that it is not feasible to expect the church to find each and every last one, and that the agreement in 1995 did not place this type of responsibility on the centralized church leadership.[50]
Jewish groups such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center spoke out against the vicarious baptism of Holocaust perpetrators and victims in the mid-1990s and again in the 2000s when they discovered the practice, which they consider insensitive to the living and the dead, was continuing.[51][52] The associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Abraham Cooper, complained that infamous figures such as Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun appeared on LDS genealogical records: "Whether official or not, the fact remains that this is exactly the kind of activity that enraged and hurt, really, so many victims of the Holocaust and caused alarm in the Jewish community."[53][54]
In 2008, the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors announced that, since church members had repeatedly violated previous agreements, it would no longer negotiate with the church to try to prevent vicarious baptism. Speaking on the anniversary of Kristallnacht, Ernest Michel, a Holocaust survivor who reported on the Nuremberg Trials,[55][dead link] speaking as the honorary chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors, called on the LDS Church to "implement a mechanism to undo what [they] have done", and declared that the LDS Church had repeatedly violated their agreements, and that talks with Mormon leaders were now ended. Jewish groups, he said, would now turn to the court of public opinion for justice.[56] Michel called the practice a revision of history that plays into the hands of Holocaust deniers, stating: "They tell me, that my parents' Jewishness has not been altered but ... 100 years from now, how will they be able to guarantee that my mother and father of blessed memory who lived as Jews and were slaughtered by Hitler for no other reason than they were Jews, will someday not be identified as Mormon victims of the Holocaust?"[56]
Church officials, in response, stated that the church does not teach that vicarious baptisms coerce deceased persons to become Mormons, nor does the church add those names to its list of church members.[57][58] Church officials have also stated that, in accordance with the 1995 agreement, it has removed more than 300,000 names of Jewish Holocaust victims from its databases, as well as subsequently removing names later identified by Jewish groups. Church officials have also stated that a new version of the database, New FamilySearch, has been developed and is currently being implemented that would help prevent the submission of Holocaust victim names for temple ordinances.[59]
In February 2012, the issue re-emerged after it was found that the parents of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal were added to the genealogical database.[60] Shortly afterward, news stories announced that Anne Frank had been baptized by proxy for the ninth time, at a Latter-day Saint temple in the Dominican Republic.[61]
‎01-26-2014 12:29 AM
The only problem we have found using Ancestory.com is the skeletons that have come out of the closet. Family medical issues and unwed mothers that were hidden or lied about. I was not a very popular family member when I started finding those things and making phone calls asking questions.
‎01-26-2014 01:00 AM
We belong to Ancestry for months now. My husband did a lot of research on my family and his. Its very interesting. I have ancestors who were in the civil war and am related to one of the Presidents way back when. (I would rather not post which one due to privacy!). I had known about relatives on my Moms ONE side because one of her distant relatives had written a book but my husband found out more about my Moms other side.
We also found out that my husband and I share one great great great (like 6 or 7 times back) grandparent. At first I said ewww are you kidding? and that freaked me out (if you know what I mean) He said its SO far back it doesn't matter.
Also- My husband traced way back on his dads side and found out that his ancestors owned the land we now live on and he never knew that because my husband is NOT from around here. We even visited cemeteries around here and took photos and documented them for others.
The only problems we have is we cannot trace my Italian side, it stops w one great grandparent (my grandparents came over from Italy).
Anyway IMO its not only safe its cool! If you do it best of luck to you!
‎01-26-2014 04:22 AM
My family information is there, and no one ever submitted anything. They cull the obituaries and other public records. They don't ask.
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