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[Estellee]

I think Hanna Gutierrez is testifying today.

[ROMARY]

Yes!  Testing the trigger for DNA would have been beneficial.

Also, testing the remaining bullet(s) for DNA.

But, I don't think they thought about doing that.

I'd like to know exactly who brought live bullets into the set.  Imo, he/she is the culprit.  

Jmo.

[beckyb1012]

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@shoekitty wrote:

Aren't most of these posts from last January.  

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No not anymore.  The thread started on 1/19 and picked back up on 7/8 when the trial began.  Same story but just the next chapter.

[Tinkrbl44]

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@Judaline wrote:

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@faeriemoon wrote:

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@Lakelife62 wrote:

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@Cntrlcstgrl wrote:
Actually, he is was one in charge, it was his production company. He was not just an actor, his project.

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Judge ruled that cannot be used in the deliberation of his guilt or innocence, nor can it be used as evidence.

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IMO this is kind of weird.  To me it is the crux of the matter.

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I would say it's NOT the producer's job to check guns. They have people for that. When they hand you a gun for a scene, you should be able to use it without worrying, "did someone check this before the scene?" or "I had better check and see if there's a real bullet in here." I'm sure it would be the last thing on any star's mind.

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@Judaline 

ITA .....  What I've been wondering is how many people would immediately know the difference between a FAKE BULLET and a REAL BULLET?  

Honestly, if my life depended on it, I wouldn't know what to look for.  

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@faeriemoon wrote:

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@occasionalrain wrote:

Producers don't check guns, assistant producers are responsibility for safety.

Supposing the cinematographer had taken the gun to show Baldwin how she wanted him to point it and it went off killing Baldwin. Would she have been charged?

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I agree; but could Baldwin (as the producer) be held accountable for hiring an inept armorer or assistant producer? I just wonder how far up the chain of command the responsibility lies.

I realize in this case Baldwin is only being tried as an actor, and as an actor, I don't think he has any guilt in the charges. 

Since, the point of my question is moot, it's just a hypothetical.

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@faeriemoon 

Film production is very complicated, and has many, many moving parts.  A lot of people have a lot of responsibility to oversee each department. 

If a department head makes decisions and never runs them by any of the producers, how could a producer be responsible for something they were never told?

Based on the spotty information I'm sure of, I doubt Alec hired (or even interviewed) the "inept" armorer.  If that armorer was verified and a Teamsters member in good standing, that makes them "qualified".  

My guess is that this was just a tragic accident.  

Since it's common for people who've experienced a traumatic event often don't remember everything, it's plausible Alec really didn't remember pulling the trigger ... IF he did.

Perhaps the real question the jury will have to mull over is Was correct procedure being followed on that movie set?   

[Tinkrbl44]

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@Puppy Lips wrote:

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@Lakelife62 wrote:

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@faeriemoon wrote:

It is my understanding that this was a rehearsal, and he pointed the gun because they were rehearsing the scene.  The victim was in the line of fire (or beyond it, I assume), so the actual pointing of the gun was part of the rehearsal.

So in my convoluted way I guess I'm asking why so many here are shocked that he actually pointed the gun.

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Because they don't like Alec, who is a cantankerous old liberal. It has nothing to do with what he did or didn't do. It is a personal vendetta.

Now that his role as producer cannot be introduced into evidence, jurors will have to look at him as a mere actor, taking direction from the Director.

From what I read, he was asked to test gun angles for a scene and that's when the weapon fired. I don't think it really matters whether the weapon misfired or he pulled the trigger.

For Involuntary manslaughter to stick, the defendent would have had to act in a reckless or careless way, or in the commission of a crime. I don't think the jury will have that kind of evidence.

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@Lakelife62 Wouldn't pointing a gun directly at someone be considered reckless?  I think it would.

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@Puppy Lips 

NO, it wouldn't on a movie set. 

That would be called following the directions of the people setting up the scene before filming.  

[Puppy Lips]

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@Puppy Lips wrote:

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@Lakelife62 wrote:

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@faeriemoon wrote:

It is my understanding that this was a rehearsal, and he pointed the gun because they were rehearsing the scene.  The victim was in the line of fire (or beyond it, I assume), so the actual pointing of the gun was part of the rehearsal.

So in my convoluted way I guess I'm asking why so many here are shocked that he actually pointed the gun.

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Because they don't like Alec, who is a cantankerous old liberal. It has nothing to do with what he did or didn't do. It is a personal vendetta.

Now that his role as producer cannot be introduced into evidence, jurors will have to look at him as a mere actor, taking direction from the Director.

From what I read, he was asked to test gun angles for a scene and that's when the weapon fired. I don't think it really matters whether the weapon misfired or he pulled the trigger.

For Involuntary manslaughter to stick, the defendent would have had to act in a reckless or careless way, or in the commission of a crime. I don't think the jury will have that kind of evidence.

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@Lakelife62 Wouldn't pointing a gun directly at someone be considered reckless?  I think it would.

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@Puppy Lips 

NO, it wouldn't on a movie set. 

That would be called following the directions of the people setting up the scene before filming.  

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@Tinkrbl44 So that would mean it was Halyna's fault then.

[Jacie]

I think this is a long time coming. Too bad something awful has to happen before there are options for change. 

As one who takes earning my CC seriously and with continued, regular practice has become a great shot, I believe actors who are not trained to handle a weapon just should'nt until they take training and know what

they are doing.

[JoyFilled Warrior]

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@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes wrote:

I thought the exact same thing yesterday. 

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[JoyFilled Warrior]

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@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes wrote:

I thought the exact same thing yesterday. 

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Gosh, there's no doubt in anyone's mind, that these Baldwin bros are brothers.  I say this every time i see one, or the other of them in yet another movie.

(Not good pics, but you perhaps get the idea)