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[mstyrion 1]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

These youth-bashing threads come up so often here.  

Think back to when you were 20 years old. Did you know or care very much about 100 year old history?  Could you have named two SCOTUS?  Did you have details about pop stars of your parents or grand-parents era?   Yes, I had a good working knowledge of the Civil War, but I doubt I could have given you the exact years it was fought when I was 20. I knew who the president and VP were but that's it. I couldn't have named any cabinent members. At 20, I had other things on my mind. It wasn't until later that I started paying attention to that kind of stuff.

You do realize that Jay Leno only puts the dumb answers on TV, don't you?

You do realize that not everything on the internet is true, don't you?

Our generation has it's own "dumbness". 

Science deniers. 

Gossip believers

Blind trust in media accuracy

It's silly and arrogant to expect a 20 year old to be interested in the exact same things I am interested in at 60.  I've got 40 years of experience on them. Their time will come.

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All those things you ask about 'did I know at 20'. Yes I did.

I had already been in college for two years, and would have been laughed out of the institution if I hadn't been able to answer those types of questions.

That used to be a big part of what education was about. 

And I did know a lot about my grandparents generation, because they and my parents and myself weren't buried in a trash heap of useless information perpetuated by 24/7 social media and being tied to phones. We actually interacted in person, listened to their stories, asked questions, and in general, learned something much more valuable than what the latest celebs were doing.

It is not silly and arrogant to expect someone who is 20 years old to know some basic things that are found in junior high textbooks. Adults who express that it is, are a contributing factor to the dumbing down of America. So thanks for that.

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Adults who resort to personal insults during a debate not only solidify the stupid "dumbing down of America" catch phrase, but also show their immaturity and insecurity about engaging in intelligent dialogue.  So thanks for that.

[bri20]

How would someone not know what state they were in driving across the country? Even if you weren't using a GPS or a map, there are signs along the road. Am I missing something?

[bri20]

You just don't get in the car and decide to drive across the country because you know all the states. Lol

[SusieQ_2]

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@bri20 wrote:
How would someone not know what state they were in driving across the country? Even if you weren't using a GPS or a map, there are signs along the road. Am I missing something?

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No you're not, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who was reading that and thinking WTH? 

After the posts she made yesterday, however, I have to admit it wasn't a big surprise.

[Mominohio]

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Kalli wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

That's exactly why I have always said that December  7th will not live in infamy, contrary to what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said.

Even what happened on 9/11 will loose its importance.

Those dates won't have the same meaning to future generations, as it does to those who lived through those important dates.

I think it's because they don't have an emotional connection to those dates.

They may have a distant relative who was at Pearl Harbor, or fought in WWII, or was in N.Y.C., when tragedy happened, but, if they didn't actually know thoses people, then I think it's harder for them to relate to the significance of the dates.

I think when our grandchildren have grandchildren, it'll all be but forgotten.

I don't know if anybody ever watched the segment "Jay Walking" when Jay Leno was hosting the "Tonight Show", but it showed just how dumbed down this country has become.

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There are so many wonderful books, fiction and nonfiction, that can make the events and feelings of those historical times come alive for folks who weren't around to experience them.  There are also lots of movies and documentaries that are interesting and informative, too.  

Today, on our local PBS, there have been individual stories of WWII heroes, some told in their own words, others, narrated.  All so interesting and remarkable.

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But if they don't have an interest in history, find it dry and boring, I doubt that they will willingly read a book, or watch a movie.

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Why do you keep making excuses for people?

[Plaid Pants2]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Kalli wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

That's exactly why I have always said that December  7th will not live in infamy, contrary to what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said.

Even what happened on 9/11 will loose its importance.

Those dates won't have the same meaning to future generations, as it does to those who lived through those important dates.

I think it's because they don't have an emotional connection to those dates.

They may have a distant relative who was at Pearl Harbor, or fought in WWII, or was in N.Y.C., when tragedy happened, but, if they didn't actually know thoses people, then I think it's harder for them to relate to the significance of the dates.

I think when our grandchildren have grandchildren, it'll all be but forgotten.

I don't know if anybody ever watched the segment "Jay Walking" when Jay Leno was hosting the "Tonight Show", but it showed just how dumbed down this country has become.

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There are so many wonderful books, fiction and nonfiction, that can make the events and feelings of those historical times come alive for folks who weren't around to experience them.  There are also lots of movies and documentaries that are interesting and informative, too.  

Today, on our local PBS, there have been individual stories of WWII heroes, some told in their own words, others, narrated.  All so interesting and remarkable.

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But if they don't have an interest in history, find it dry and boring, I doubt that they will willingly read a book, or watch a movie.

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Why do you keep making excuses for people?

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I'm not making excuses.

Not everybody finds history to be facinating.

Just like not everybody finds math to be facinating.

Or science.

Or any other subject taught in school.

Some people, wheather anyone wants to admit it or not, finds the subject of history to be dull, dull, dull, and about as interesting as watching paint dry.

[dooBdoo]

          If anyone's interested, I believe this video is the "survey" under discussion:

"Who Won The Civil War? Tough Question"

November 18, 2014

http://www.npr.org/sections/theprotojournalist/2014/11/18/364675234/who-won-the-civil-war-tough-ques...

[Mominohio]

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Kalli wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

That's exactly why I have always said that December  7th will not live in infamy, contrary to what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said.

Even what happened on 9/11 will loose its importance.

Those dates won't have the same meaning to future generations, as it does to those who lived through those important dates.

I think it's because they don't have an emotional connection to those dates.

They may have a distant relative who was at Pearl Harbor, or fought in WWII, or was in N.Y.C., when tragedy happened, but, if they didn't actually know thoses people, then I think it's harder for them to relate to the significance of the dates.

I think when our grandchildren have grandchildren, it'll all be but forgotten.

I don't know if anybody ever watched the segment "Jay Walking" when Jay Leno was hosting the "Tonight Show", but it showed just how dumbed down this country has become.

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There are so many wonderful books, fiction and nonfiction, that can make the events and feelings of those historical times come alive for folks who weren't around to experience them.  There are also lots of movies and documentaries that are interesting and informative, too.  

Today, on our local PBS, there have been individual stories of WWII heroes, some told in their own words, others, narrated.  All so interesting and remarkable.

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But if they don't have an interest in history, find it dry and boring, I doubt that they will willingly read a book, or watch a movie.

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Why do you keep making excuses for people?

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I'm not making excuses.

Not everybody finds history to be facinating.

Just like not everybody finds math to be facinating.

Or science.

Or any other subject taught in school.

Some people, wheather anyone wants to admit it or not, finds the subject of history to be dull, dull, dull, and about as interesting as watching paint dry.

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It doesn't matter if someone considers something dull. I hate math, always did. But to function in life, there is a basic level of math that is required. Same for science, English and any other thing taught in school. History is no different.

Whaaa Boo Hoo, something is boring, so I'm gonna be an idiot and know nothing or forgive others from knowing even the most basic things about our system of government and past. 

These kinds of surveys, done often and everywhere, just say to me we need to have a basic test to pass before someone should be given the vote. They make you pass a test to drive a car or cut someone's hair, so you don't 'hurt' others. Well, if you can't learn and retain even the most basic information about how our government works, you are a harm to the entire nation, when you cast your vote.

[Plaid Pants2]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Kalli wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

That's exactly why I have always said that December  7th will not live in infamy, contrary to what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said.

Even what happened on 9/11 will loose its importance.

Those dates won't have the same meaning to future generations, as it does to those who lived through those important dates.

I think it's because they don't have an emotional connection to those dates.

They may have a distant relative who was at Pearl Harbor, or fought in WWII, or was in N.Y.C., when tragedy happened, but, if they didn't actually know thoses people, then I think it's harder for them to relate to the significance of the dates.

I think when our grandchildren have grandchildren, it'll all be but forgotten.

I don't know if anybody ever watched the segment "Jay Walking" when Jay Leno was hosting the "Tonight Show", but it showed just how dumbed down this country has become.

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There are so many wonderful books, fiction and nonfiction, that can make the events and feelings of those historical times come alive for folks who weren't around to experience them.  There are also lots of movies and documentaries that are interesting and informative, too.  

Today, on our local PBS, there have been individual stories of WWII heroes, some told in their own words, others, narrated.  All so interesting and remarkable.

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But if they don't have an interest in history, find it dry and boring, I doubt that they will willingly read a book, or watch a movie.

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Why do you keep making excuses for people?

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I'm not making excuses.

Not everybody finds history to be facinating.

Just like not everybody finds math to be facinating.

Or science.

Or any other subject taught in school.

Some people, wheather anyone wants to admit it or not, finds the subject of history to be dull, dull, dull, and about as interesting as watching paint dry.

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It doesn't matter if someone considers something dull. I hate math, always did. But to function in life, there is a basic level of math that is required. Same for science, English and any other thing taught in school. History is no different.

Whaaa Boo Hoo, something is boring, so I'm gonna be an idiot and know nothing or forgive others from knowing even the most basic things about our system of government and past. 

These kinds of surveys, done often and everywhere, just say to me we need to have a basic test to pass before someone should be given the vote. They make you pass a test to drive a car or cut someone's hair, so you don't 'hurt' others. Well, if you can't learn and retain even the most basic information about how our government works, you are a harm to the entire nation, when you cast your vote.

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And they'll learn just enough to pass the tests.

Once out of school, they'll pursue whatever else that does interest them, and what they were taught will be forgotten.