A survey on facebook.. - Page 5

Irshgrl31201 · ‎03-18-2010

@mstyrion 1 wrote:
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:
@mstyrion 1 wrote:
These youth-bashing threads come up so often here.

Think back to when you were 20 years old. Did you know or care very much about 100 year old history? Could you have named two SCOTUS? Did you have details about pop stars of your parents or grand-parents era? Yes, I had a good working knowledge of the Civil War, but I doubt I could have given you the exact years it was fought when I was 20. I knew who the president and VP were but that's it. I couldn't have named any cabinent members. At 20, I had other things on my mind. It wasn't until later that I started paying attention to that kind of stuff.

You do realize that Jay Leno only puts the dumb answers on TV, don't you?
You do realize that not everything on the internet is true, don't you?

Our generation has it's own "dumbness".
Science deniers.
Gossip believers
Blind trust in media accuracy

It's silly and arrogant to expect a 20 year old to be interested in the exact same things I am interested in at 60. I've got 40 years of experience on them. Their time will come.

No, sorry but these aren't some obscure history questions. Who is the vice prez, who won the civil war and what country did we get our independence from????? EVERYONE should know that. I am sure there are people in their 40s, 50s and up who don't know that either so I don't think it is exclusive to just younger people. I think it is a really sad state of affairs though if a person doesn't know those questions.

I also don't expect a 20 yr old to have the same interests and I know some people don't get a real interest or appreciate history until they get a little older but this is stuff everyone should know.
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I will agree that everone should know these things.
I'm glad you acknowledge it most definitely isn't just young people who don't know these things, however. I've seen some pretty amazing gaps in knowledge right here on these boards and the demographic is many, many years removed from age 20.

I doubt many in your age group know why WW1 was fought and which countries participated. I doubt many in your age group know there were two theaters of war in WW2. The generations preceding yours would shake their heads in disbelief that they don't know about these things that impacted them so strongly.

That was my point. Why expect someone decades younger than you to be interested in the same things you are. Someone here expressed amazement a young person didn't know who Bob Dylan is. I wonder if that person knew who was a hot star during her grandparents heyday?

I don't know anyone my age who doesn't know those two things. You don't have to be a history buff and interested in history to know that stuff.

Also, those simple questions they were asked in the survey does not require someone to be interested in the same things I am. Those questions should be known by everyone who lives here. How do you NOT know who your VP is even if you have no interest whatsoever in politics, etc... I cannot imagine an American not knowing who the leader of our country is, what country we gained our independence from and who won the civil war.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

I was most amazed that a number of black students did not know who won the civil war or what it was fought over. My parents would always tell us about our ancestors and their experiences coming to this country etc. When they got here and what they did for a living, why they left Europe etc. We were fascinated by this when we were kids.

bri20 · ‎03-10-2016

@151949 wrote:
I was most amazed that a number of black students did not know who won the civil war or what it was fought over. My parents would always tell us about our ancestors and their experiences coming to this country etc. When they got here and what they did for a living, why they left Europe etc. We were fascinated by this when we were kids.

What are you talking about?

Mellie32 · ‎03-13-2010

@151949 wrote:
I was most amazed that a number of black students did not know who won the civil war or what it was fought over. My parents would always tell us about our ancestors and their experiences coming to this country etc. When they got here and what they did for a living, why they left Europe etc. We were fascinated by this when we were kids.

Were they American or African?

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Plaid Pants2 wrote:
That's exactly why I have always said that December 7th will not live in infamy, contrary to what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said.

Even what happened on 9/11 will loose its importance.

Those dates won't have the same meaning to future generations, as it does to those who lived through those important dates.

I think it's because they don't have an emotional connection to those dates.

They may have a distant relative who was at Pearl Harbor, or fought in WWII, or was in N.Y.C., when tragedy happened, but, if they didn't actually know thoses people, then I think it's harder for them to relate to the significance of the dates.

I think when our grandchildren have grandchildren, it'll all be but forgotten.

I don't know if anybody ever watched the segment "Jay Walking" when Jay Leno was hosting the "Tonight Show", but it showed just how dumbed down this country has become.

Sorry, but this is like saying that since no one is alive that fought in the Revolutionary War, it has lost it's significance.

Of course all historical events, after those who lived through them are gone, tend to not have the same depth of effect on the entire population, but teaching history (all history, from the beginning of it being recorded) is important. If we don't know what we come from, if we don't see the mistakes (or the successes) of the past, we don't have anything on which to build the future.

There are many good programs, teachers and lay people out there who do all kinds of historical reenactments and passing on of historical figures, events, and ways (everything from war reenactments, the wonderful events and exhibits in Lexington and Concord MA, to places like Greenfield Village at The Henry Ford). It is, in my opinion, more important than ever that all history be preserved and documented, and continually shared in ways that get younger people interested and knowledgeable.

It is simply unforgivable that so many know so little about their history and their government. Perhaps if we get the Kardashians and other celebs to star in historical based films and reality shows, younger people will take notice of history. I can see it now, the Kardashians set in a reality show based on survival at Plymouth. Even I'd tune in for that one.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@mstyrion 1 wrote:
These youth-bashing threads come up so often here.

Think back to when you were 20 years old. Did you know or care very much about 100 year old history? Could you have named two SCOTUS? Did you have details about pop stars of your parents or grand-parents era? Yes, I had a good working knowledge of the Civil War, but I doubt I could have given you the exact years it was fought when I was 20. I knew who the president and VP were but that's it. I couldn't have named any cabinent members. At 20, I had other things on my mind. It wasn't until later that I started paying attention to that kind of stuff.

You do realize that Jay Leno only puts the dumb answers on TV, don't you?
You do realize that not everything on the internet is true, don't you?

Our generation has it's own "dumbness".
Science deniers.
Gossip believers
Blind trust in media accuracy

It's silly and arrogant to expect a 20 year old to be interested in the exact same things I am interested in at 60. I've got 40 years of experience on them. Their time will come.

All those things you ask about 'did I know at 20'. Yes I did.

I had already been in college for two years, and would have been laughed out of the institution if I hadn't been able to answer those types of questions.

That used to be a big part of what education was about.

And I did know a lot about my grandparents generation, because they and my parents and myself weren't buried in a trash heap of useless information perpetuated by 24/7 social media and being tied to phones. We actually interacted in person, listened to their stories, asked questions, and in general, learned something much more valuable than what the latest celebs were doing.

It is not silly and arrogant to expect someone who is 20 years old to know some basic things that are found in junior high textbooks. Adults who express that it is, are a contributing factor to the dumbing down of America. So thanks for that.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Bonanzajellybean wrote:
That's so cool you beat a 12 year old. You must feel very satisfied.

Well, I'll at least give her credit for doing something educational with a 12 year old, and interacting. Most families I see together these days, everyone is staring at and punching away on their on personal electronic device.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@wildcat fan wrote:
I can name the Vice President. I can name who won the American Civil War. I can name from whom the U.S. won independence. I can also name Snooky's show and Brad Pitt's wife. However, I don't think that makes me a genius or makes a statement about my overall aptitude.

It does indicate that you are a more well rounded person than those who can't answer basic questions in both history/governemt, and current trends.

Plaid Pants2 · ‎03-14-2015

@Mominohio wrote:
@Plaid Pants2 wrote:
That's exactly why I have always said that December 7th will not live in infamy, contrary to what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said.

Even what happened on 9/11 will loose its importance.

Those dates won't have the same meaning to future generations, as it does to those who lived through those important dates.

I think it's because they don't have an emotional connection to those dates.

They may have a distant relative who was at Pearl Harbor, or fought in WWII, or was in N.Y.C., when tragedy happened, but, if they didn't actually know thoses people, then I think it's harder for them to relate to the significance of the dates.

I think when our grandchildren have grandchildren, it'll all be but forgotten.

I don't know if anybody ever watched the segment "Jay Walking" when Jay Leno was hosting the "Tonight Show", but it showed just how dumbed down this country has become.

Sorry, but this is like saying that since no one is alive that fought in the Revolutionary War, it has lost it's significance.

Of course all historical events, after those who lived through them are gone, tend to not have the same depth of effect on the entire population, but teaching history (all history, from the beginning of it being recorded) is important. If we don't know what we come from, if we don't see the mistakes (or the successes) of the past, we don't have anything on which to build the future.

There are many good programs, teachers and lay people out there who do all kinds of historical reenactments and passing on of historical figures, events, and ways (everything from war reenactments, the wonderful events and exhibits in Lexington and Concord MA, to places like Greenfield Village at The Henry Ford). It is, in my opinion, more important than ever that all history be preserved and documented, and continually shared in ways that get younger people interested and knowledgeable.

It is simply unforgivable that so many know so little about their history and their government. Perhaps if we get the Kardashians and other celebs to star in historical based films and reality shows, younger people will take notice of history. I can see it now, the Kardashians set in a reality show based on survival at Plymouth. Even I'd tune in for that one.

Yes, history will be taught in schools. A chapter or two on this, a chapter or two on that, and then a test on it.

If someone has no interest in history, finds the subject dry and boring, they'll memorise what they need to know in order to pass the test, then it'll be forgotten.

Outside of school, outside of class assignments, if one doesn't find history interesting, then it's doubtful that they'll read a book, or watch a movie, or go to Colonial Williamsburg, etc, on their own to learn about stuff.

If the interest isn't there to begin with, it's hard to foster or spark that interest.

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@Mominohio wrote:
@Bonanzajellybean wrote:
That's so cool you beat a 12 year old. You must feel very satisfied.
Well, I'll at least give her credit for doing something educational with a 12 year old, and interacting. Most families I see together these days, everyone is staring at and punching away on their on personal electronic device.

It was his homework assignment, I was just doing it with him, on his I pad. But those who responded with their stupid remarks, IMO, probably the last thing they would ever do would be sit down with a kid and play a game or do a homework assignment, so , to me, their comments are worthless. He could not understand the value of having to learn all the states so I asked him how he would know where he was if he was driving across the country and didn't know the state he was in.