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10-29-2019 12:11 AM
10-29-2019 01:20 AM - edited 10-29-2019 08:43 PM
@GSPgirl wrote:
@ahoymate wrote:Tyakk, have your heard about climate change, global warming?
Nothing new. I grew up in San Diego, Ca when we HAD forest management. We still had fires especially around the time of Santa Ana winds, but they weren't as bad. It really upsets me when I hear it's all about global warming, which is obviously caused by us right? I went to college next door to Paradise, CA where they had a horrible fire. I suggest you watch the Nova special about this subject. We will always have cycles in the weather according to my geologist dad.
Shoekittyy said
i have lived here all my 71 years. My mother and dad before me. My great grandfather settled in Juan Capistrano when California was part of Mexico. No it hasn't always been like this. California has always had milder winters and in some areas hotter summers. That is why the Spaniards called it California,forno meaning fire hot. I have lived in an area of 80 miles my whole life. The weather has changed. When I was young you could see and smell the smog. The smog is gone, but I feel the weather is more erratic. People have a lot to do with the weather change as well. Too many cars, exhaust, factories. Where I live 8 lanes of traffic, takes 1.5 hours to go 35 miles at peak traffic hours. The exhaust is horrible, even with high standards in California. Forests and areas that once were trees and agriculture here where I live,have been flattened for homes. We consume more of everything, well..because there are more of us. We also have had a change in weather patterns. When you have lived in same area you know this is true.
forests are drier. We are coming out of a drought, but lots of dead wood. Idon'tt think it rained but a few days a year here until last hear. It rained from late October til June. It filled lakes andreservoirs, but dead trees are dead trees. The fires are occuring more toward residential last couple years. When we used to have big fires they were more in unpopulated areas. Rarely burning homes like the fires do now.
Paradise fire andKinkadee fire were caused by faulty. PGE equipment. . PGE has not maintained equipment. I can attest to that in my backyard. We have phone poles still with old fashioned wiring. When the wind blows hard we can count on power outages You can call them ..they don't come out. Once when we had a problem they showed up at my door 7 weeks after the fact. They ate bankrupt now, so you get what you get. The people who work forPGEE work hard, it themanagementt. Workers do what they are told.
10-29-2019 03:23 AM
@ahoymate wrote:QGirl2, it is new for No. California. Never, have fires that destroyed entire towns nor 90+mile/hour winds. It's new for No. California.
You are right. I lived here in No. Ca. For 43 years in the same house. Until the 2017 fire, this has never happened, where the fires went from town to town and over the mountains. I,m 83 and never witness this in my lifetime, and I grew up in Ca. My son and his family are with me now having been evacuated from their town 20 miles away. They are hoping to return there by Thurs. If tomorrow,s winds don't put a stop to it.
10-29-2019 06:47 AM
@TyakAs i understand it, thinning out excess forest growth was banned to appease the environmentalists. Logging was banned to appease the environmentalists. Almost any kind if forest management was banned to appease the environmentalists. Forests were allowed to become far too dense and the fires have been the result.
Californians are now reaping what they've sown. So be it.
10-29-2019 11:06 AM
cats01, Tyak: It's PG&E. Quit blaming the state of California. U don't live here, U don't know the facts.
10-29-2019 01:45 PM - edited 10-29-2019 01:47 PM
@Cats3000 wrote:@TyakAs i understand it, thinning out excess forest growth was banned to appease the environmentalists. Logging was banned to appease the environmentalists. Almost any kind if forest management was banned to appease the environmentalists. Forests were allowed to become far too dense and the fires have been the result.
Californians are now reaping what they've sown. So be it.
Shoekittyy said
that isnt t entirely true. But I think I know where you may have gotten that info. I live near a forest, I have to slow down for loggers, they clear areas for a fact. But no, wedon't clear entire areas at free will, as that would cause mudslides and not be responsible, trees have to be a certain age before they are cut, have a disease or have fallen. . We have men who go through areas and mark trees for whacking. The wood is given or sold to those who want it.
there are some areas that are unaccessable, as the ravines are too deep and narrow. As I have stated most of the fires have been started by faulty equipment, or man. I guess faulty equipment could be stated as man made.
10-29-2019 04:22 PM
10-29-2019 04:43 PM
@Cats3000 wrote:@TyakAs i understand it, thinning out excess forest growth was banned to appease the environmentalists. Logging was banned to appease the environmentalists. Almost any kind if forest management was banned to appease the environmentalists. Forests were allowed to become far too dense and the fires have been the result.
Californians are now reaping what they've sown. So be it.
You understand wrong.
What disaster proof state do you live in, @Cats3000?
10-29-2019 05:13 PM
@Cats3000 wrote:@TyakAs i understand it, thinning out excess forest growth was banned to appease the environmentalists. Logging was banned to appease the environmentalists. Almost any kind if forest management was banned to appease the environmentalists. Forests were allowed to become far too dense and the fires have been the result.
Californians are now reaping what they've sown. So be it.
This is debunked misinformation.
10-29-2019 07:41 PM
@shoekitty wrote:
@Cats3000 wrote:@TyakAs i understand it, thinning out excess forest growth was banned to appease the environmentalists. Logging was banned to appease the environmentalists. Almost any kind if forest management was banned to appease the environmentalists. Forests were allowed to become far too dense and the fires have been the result.
Californians are now reaping what they've sown. So be it.
Shoekittyy said
that isnt t entirely true. But I think I know where you may have gotten that info. I live near a forest, I have to slow down for loggers, they clear areas for a fact. But no, wedon't clear entire areas at free will, as that would cause mudslides and not be responsible, trees have to be a certain age before they are cut, have a disease or have fallen. . We have men who go through areas and mark trees for whacking. The wood is given or sold to those who want it.
there are some areas that are unaccessable, as the ravines are too deep and narrow. As I have stated most of the fires have been started by faulty equipment, or man. I guess faulty equipment could be stated as man made.
@shoekitty, I think I know where she got this purposeful misinformation; it's easy to find on certain websites and "news" outlets.
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