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07-01-2020 08:12 AM
Wonder how those numbers will stand up with International travel resuming. It is easy to lockdown small geographical areas, not so easy when travel resumes.
07-01-2020 10:01 AM
@golding76 wrote:
Again, to confuse numbers with rates is to skew the big picture.
07-01-2020 10:16 AM
@golding76Get back to us when you're able to acknowledge the difference between NUMBER of infections and RATES of hospitalization and death. No one denies that the number of infections is rising, but wrenching that number from the context of hospitalization and death rates gives an inaccurate picture of the virus's impact. I'm not comfortable with that, but if you are, so be it.
07-01-2020 10:23 AM
@on the bay wrote:The US now has more covd19 deaths than any other country!
(anyone doubting this or stating otherwise can google with this info all over!)
@on the bayFor purposes of comparison with other countries, it's the death RATE (meaning number per 100,000) that matters. Google this if you still don't understand the difference.
07-01-2020 10:35 AM
@Bhvbum wrote:
@vsm wrote:@BhvbumLooking at graphs for only one data point -- in this case, the number of infections -- gives a highly distorted view. What also matter are the hospitalization rate and the death rate, both of which are declining in the U.S., as the new infections are occurring largely among younger people who overall get milder cases of covid and recover from them much more quickly than people over 65. It's important to reduce the overall level of infection, but to focus only on that while ignoring the hospitalization and death rates gives a misleading picture of where we are and where we're headed.
That's right to a point, but then it reaches a point where there is so much widespread infection it is very difficult to control. Here in Virginia we are at about 11% but in South Carolina with a much less dense population they are at 18%. What we need is a national defense, but we are forced for every state reinvent the wheel. This is a picture of a failure of our country to control the spread.
And when it starts to get this bad we are on the defensive, with hospitals almost at capacity in a lot of states, so testing tracing and investigating becomes impossible because people are exposed to so many other infected people. Long term conditions are on the rise also, long after people think they are well.
I live in VA too, @Bhvbum , specifically northern VA, the most congested area of the state, where the number of infections is highest. But the hugely different conditions between NOVA and the rest of the state are a microcosm of the hugely different conditions between states. I disagree that US policy is to "reinvent the wheel" in every state. Instead, the policy is to deal with the hard fact that every state is itself a different wheel.
07-01-2020 10:46 AM
@vsm wrote:
@Bhvbum wrote:
@vsm wrote:@BhvbumLooking at graphs for only one data point -- in this case, the number of infections -- gives a highly distorted view. What also matter are the hospitalization rate and the death rate, both of which are declining in the U.S., as the new infections are occurring largely among younger people who overall get milder cases of covid and recover from them much more quickly than people over 65. It's important to reduce the overall level of infection, but to focus only on that while ignoring the hospitalization and death rates gives a misleading picture of where we are and where we're headed.
That's right to a point, but then it reaches a point where there is so much widespread infection it is very difficult to control. Here in Virginia we are at about 11% but in South Carolina with a much less dense population they are at 18%. What we need is a national defense, but we are forced for every state reinvent the wheel. This is a picture of a failure of our country to control the spread.
And when it starts to get this bad we are on the defensive, with hospitals almost at capacity in a lot of states, so testing tracing and investigating becomes impossible because people are exposed to so many other infected people. Long term conditions are on the rise also, long after people think they are well.
I live in VA too, @Bhvbum , specifically northern VA, the most congested area of the state, where the number of infections is highest. But the hugely different conditions between NOVA and the rest of the state are a microcosm of the hugely different conditions between states. I disagree that US policy is to "reinvent the wheel" in every state. Instead, the policy is to deal with the hard fact that every state is itself a different wheel.
Even within each State there could be vastly different conditions. What needs to be done in large cities is very different than rural areas. Finally the Gov of Ohio is starting to realize that.
07-01-2020 10:46 AM
@Bhvbum wrote:
@MorningLover wrote:on the bay wrote:The US now has more covid19 deaths than any other country!
The U.S. now has more confirmed cases and deaths than any other country worldwide. All 50 states have been affected, but New York has the highest number of deaths and has reported more cases than any single country outside of the United States.
But New York has done a great job of holding the spread and the deaths:
NY has done the worst job of any state in the Union. Just ask the thousands of families who lost their loved ones as a result of the governor's policy of warehousing covid patients in nursing homes instead of treating them in the Javits Center and the hospital ship that the federal government retrofited for that purpose -- at enormous costs of time and money that could have been used to reduce the virus's spread in other states.
07-01-2020 11:50 AM
@vsm -
I don't deal in "rates" but do understand.
What matters to me is how many people have died especially if they are someone you loved.And knowing they are not coming back. And they have no care how many died per....
For those who are interested in statistics, that is an entirely different
and irrelevant interest to me.
What I don't understand are those like yourself by addressing me with wondering if I understand as if I'm ignorant or need to know statistical facts.
Are you wanting to diminish the horrifying numbers and sadness and tragedy for those who have died by spouting rates, percentages etc etc?
If so, you and others can do it amoungst yourselves. I hope you understand.
07-01-2020 12:06 PM
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07-01-2020 12:12 PM
That graph means nothing in its own. Too many other questions and variables and facts are needed to make any critical thinking happen with decisions made going forward. I guess if we are trying to emotionally scare people without context it might have some value.
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