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It’s unfortunate that man made pollution

caused the need for restoration,

which officials are saying was the cause of the fire.

 

Hopefully we will be living in a cleaner World in the future

and these beautiful monuments of history won’t deteriorate 

as quickly as in the past. 

 

 

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@cherry wrote:

The altar has survived ,and a processional cross. I am sure its a big mess, and dirty, and water damaged, but apart from that,  it looks structurally OK, from what I can see

 

It will probably look worse in daylight, but ,it is still standing

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6926257/ROBERT-HARDMAN-witnesses-inside-ravaged-Notre-Dame....


@cherry   I saw that last night.

 

It's a remembrance of the tilma of Guadalupe which suvived a bombing and a fire in 2 different instances.

 

The tilma was a replica in the fire incident.

 

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I just saw a chyron on CNN that $679 millions have already been pledged to help rebuild Notre Dame.

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@cherry 

 

Thank you for your tireless, accurate and deeply heartfelt coverage of these events.  Everyone with a heart cares about Notre Dame. From the time we first saw the flames throughout you have provided facts and moving glimpses into artifacts, the interior, those whose lives are interwined with the Cathedral (like the priest who can see where his bed was!) and others.  Facts, only facts and ones that matter to most.  Thank you, bles you, and for continuing to.

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A major fire has destroyed the roof of Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris, toppling its spire and leaving the remaining structure of the building in a weakened state.

The deputy mayor of Paris, Emmanuel Gregoire, said the cathedral had suffered "colossal damages", and the emergency services worked late into Monday night to salvage the art and other priceless pieces stored in the cathedral.

The wooden interior has been destroyed.

But which other features in the 850-year-old Gothic structure make it stand out in a city of iconic buildings?

Rose windowsImage copyright Getty Images

The cathedral has three rose windows dating back to the 13th Century, which are among its most famous features.

The first, and smallest, on the west facade, was finished in around 1225 and celebrated for the way the glass seemingly upheld the stonework around it.

The south rose has a diameter of nearly 13m (43ft) and is made up of 84 panels.

However, it no longer retains its original stained glass because it was damaged in previous fires.

André Finot, cathedral spokesman, told BFMTV that the rose windows appeared not to have been touched by the fire, although there were still fears for them because of the fragility of the building.

Two towersImage copyright AFP

Most visitors to Notre-Dame will spend some time standing before two Gothic towers which crown the western facade of the cathedral.

Work on the western facade began in 1200, but the first tower - the north one - was not completed until 40 years later.

Ten years after that, in 1250, the southern tower was completed.

Both towers are 68m high, and climbing the 387 steps gives panoramic views of Paris.

Officials said that both bell towers remain intact.

Gargoyles and grotesquesImage copyright Getty Images

Anyone feeling fit enough to climb the stairs and gain views across Paris has to pass another of the cathedral's best-known features - the gargoyles and grotesques.

These are two types of stone sculptures, often featuring mythical creatures. Unlike grotesques, gargoyles have water spouts to carry rainwater off the building, although several have already been replaced by PVC pipes because Notre-Dame's stonework has corroded.

The most famous sculpture - known as the Stryge - sits on top of the building, watching out over the city with its head in its hands.

Bells

 
 

Media captionWhy Notre-Dame is getting new bells

The cathedral has 10 bells - the largest, known as Emmanuel, weighs more than 23 tonnes and was installed in the south tower in 1685.

The cathedral celebrated its 850th anniversary in 2013 by recasting the smaller bells from the north tower.

Each was blessed with the name of a saint to replicate the original bells that were melted for cannon balls during the French Revolution.

Writer Victor Hugo used the cathedral as a setting for his 1831 work The Hunchback of Notre-Dame.

His main character, Quasimodo, is feared by locals for the way he looks - but finds sanctuary in the cathedral and is employed as a bell-ringer.

Gothic spireImage copyright AFP Image caption An image of the steeple taken last year, contrasted with Monday's blaze

Notre-Dame's famous spire, which collapsed during Monday's fire, dates back to the 12th Century.

It underwent several changes in the building's history - including being dismantled during the French Revolution, and later rebuilt in the 1860s.

Reflecting on its collapse, the Royal Institute of British Architects said: "The loss of the roof and spire of Notre-Dame, and possibly the stone vault too, is an irreplaceable blow to the heritage of French Gothic architecture.

"Our heart goes out to the people of France, and to lovers of our shared cultural heritage wherever they are."

RelicsImage copyright AFP Image caption The Holy Crown of Thorns was said to have been rescued from the fire

Notre-Dame is home to relics from the Passion of Christ, described as a piece of the cross, a nail and the Holy Crown of Thorns, said to have been worn by Jesus before the crucifixion.

Anne Hidalgo, mayor of Paris, tweeted that firefighters, police and others formed a human chain to rescue priceless artefacts, such as the crown and tunic said to have been worn by King Louis IX when he brought the crown of thorns to Paris.

Image copyright Anne Hidalgo Image caption Artwork and relics saved from Notre Dame were temporarily stored in City Hall

But BBC Europe correspondent Kevin Connolly said firefighters reported that some of the large paintings inside the cathedral were too heavy to take down from the walls and save.

Some of the art and artefacts were stored overnight in City Hall but they would be moved to the Louvre museum as soon as possible, said French culture minister Franck Riester.

Major paintings in the cathedral would be moved to the museum on Friday, after they had been protected, conserved and restored, he said. Mr Riester said they were mostly undamaged but may have suffered some effects from the smoke.

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The cathedral has three organs, including the 8,000-pipe Great Organ, first constructed in 1401 and rebuilt in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

Despite many restorations and additions over the years, it still contains some pipes first installed in the medieval era.

Deputy Mayor Emmanuel Gregoire told French news channel BFMTV that the organ remained intact.

Organist Johann Vexo, who was playing a Mass when the fire alarm rang, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It's the most famous instrument in the world. It was absolutely stunning, gorgeous - we don't have any words to describe it, it was a wonderful experience every time. It was such a privilege to work and to play in this wonderful place."

 
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The hero who saved the Crown of Thorns: Fire brigade chaplain entered flaming Notre Dame to recover holy relic - three years after he bravely helped Bataclan terror victims 

Father Jean-Marc Fournier, chaplain of the Paris Fire Brigade, saved the Blessed Sacrament and the Crown of Thorns from the blazing Notre Dame cathedral
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Father Jean-Marc Fournier, chaplain of the Paris Fire Brigade, saved the Blessed Sacrament and the Crown of Thorns from the blazing Notre Dame cathedral

 A French priest who helped comfort the wounded after the Bataclan terror attack today also emerged as a hero of the Notre Dame fire.

Jean-Marc Fournier, chaplain of the Paris Fire Brigade, saved the Blessed Sacrament and the Crown of Thorns from the blazing cathedral on Monday night.

It was feared that both religious artefacts would be lost as flames engulfed the medieval building, but Father Fournier made sure they were taken to safety.

Etienne Loraillere, an editor for France's KTO Catholic television network, said Father Fournier 'went with the firefighters into Notre Dame Cathedral to save the Crown of Thorns and the Blessed Sacrament'.

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There are truly no words to express my feelings of loss.

We are all family here on earth and it is a loss to all.

I am relieved to hear that many treasures have been saved, and that people will come together to help with the restoration.

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@sidsmom wrote:

The cost is extremely secondary.

If it becomes all about the cost to rebuild, we’re reducing the 

cathedral to ‘just a building’...and it’s not.  

 

It’s the SOUL & rich history which money can’t buy.  

Yes, we can place another structure on top of the site,

but it will feel like something’s missing. Really can’t build history.

 

Kinda like someone repainting the Mona Lisa..

it can be done, but it can’t be done, y’know?


 

@sidsmom   Only very few are.  They don't get it and they'll probably never get it.  Thanks for your lovely post, you've had a lot of them.  

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The fate of many of the Notre Dame's treasures is still unknown after the huge fire which ripped through the 850-year-old cathedral on Monday.

Experts are today entering the wreckage of the Paris landmark to find which of the precious artworks and religious relics have been saved.

The mayor of Paris said that one of the most irreplaceable items - the crown of thorns reputed to have been worn by Jesus at his crucifixion - was safe last night.

But there are fears for the church's 13th-century stained glass windows and its magnificent organ, while the wooden roof and ornate spire have gone.

 Safe: Crown of thorns

One of the cathedral's most precious objects, a relic purported to be the crown of thorns worn by Jesus Christ on the cross, was whisked away to a secure facility.

Reports in France stated that the chaplain of the Paris fire brigade had gone inside with the firefighters to save the crown.

Experts said the irreplaceable item had been kept in a 'very safe place'.

Records of the Crown of Thorns existence begin in the sixth century AD, when it is believed to have been kept in Jerusalem by Christians.

During the Crusades in 1238, the Latin Emperor of Constantinople gave it to King Louis IX to win his support and try and preserve his crumbling empire.

Louis IX brought the crown back to France and was later made a saint.

Although the crown itself was saved, a small fragment of the crown had been kept in the spire and is therefore believed to have burned to ashes. 

 Unknown: True Cross and Holy Nails

Another of the cathedral's relics is a purported piece of the True Cross - the very instrument on which Jesus was crucified in the first century AD.

The collection also includes a nail which is said to be from the cross.

It was unclear on Tuesday morning whether these had been saved along with the Crown of Thorns.

 Safe: Tunic of St Louis

A 13th-century linen tunic which is thought to have belonged to King Louis IX - canonised as St Louis - was also made safe, the mayor of Paris said.

In his 44-year reign Louis took part in the Crusades and established early principles of justice such as the presumption of innocence.

He was proclaimed a saint in 1297 - the only French monarch to receive the honour - and was responsible for acquiring the Crown of Thorns. 

Safe: North, West and South Rose Windows

The magnificent stained-glass artworks in the cathedral date back to the 13th century. 

There were fears last night that they would melt or explode but the Archbishop of Paris told BFM-TV today that they were safe.  

A French journalist at the scene last night said the north window appeared to be safe with no sign of broken glass although firefighters remained concerned.      

Architecture professor Julio Bermudez said the stained glass windows were 'really irreplaceable'.   

 
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@cherry wrote:

Perhaps UNESCO will help too. I think this could  become a world wide effort ,financially


@cherry 

 

The restoration in the early 19 C was an international effort.  

This re-build will become one also.  See the donations already.

 

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As the Vicar of Notre-Dame said,

"It's not the Notre-Dame (Our Lady) of Catholics.

It's Notre-Dame of France,

Notre-Dame of the world," he adds.

 

"The church is burning, and the entire world is crying."

 

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