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[SusieQ_2]

And again cakers, I respectfully disagree with most everything you’ve posted.

First, why should anyone here feel a need to defend their position about the death penalty to you or anyone else? I am for it, you are not. I’m not here to change your mind, and you’re not going to change mine. I don’t feel differently about you for your opinion either, so I guess we’re good there.

Next, why should I or anyone else here be asked to defend something that someone else has said? Do I ask you to defend people who want to see Jodi freed? Of course I don’t. Each of us is responsible for what we say, and what we say only.

Regardless of the fact that there are other murders that have taken place, the fact is that this one was highly publicized and the one we are discussing. Still not sure why you’re so bothered by that.

That you believe people have other motivations for posting what they do is interesting, however, people are allowed to post about whatever they want to whether you think it’s relevant or not. It was obviously germane to their conversation, and if you find that conversation unacceptable, then don’t participate. You have your opinion about what is self-righteous, and other people have theirs. We don’t have to agree.

As far as the dp being unevenly applied, it doesn’t matter to me. If someone has committed a crime that has made them dp eligible, then they face the chance that it will be applied to them. That some criminal got off on a technicality, or whatever the case may be, doesn’t matter. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. As far as DNA goes, there are cases where there is no doubt whatsoever about guilt and Jodi was one of those cases.

I have to admit I’m scratching my head about the potentiality of the criminal’s life and having had a mother. Of course that’s almost minor in comparison to the next statement about not caring whether or not a person chose their actions deliberately. Sorry, but those things make zero sense to me and it goes even further downhill in your next paragraph. Suffice it to say, you and I will never agree there.

But hey, here’s something you can agree on! Jodi’s sentence isn’t going to change your life one way or another. But it’s not about you…and it’s not about me (other than that society is wronged when justice is not served). But it is about the family of the young man whose life was stolen from him and the future they would have known having him in their lives. If they feel that justice means having Jodi lose her life for the life she so heinously destroyed then that’s how they feel. They should have had that closure knowing she’d be actually be punished rather that seeing her face on social media and knowing she spends nine hours on a Saturday video chatting with her fans.

If I believed in h*ll, I’d agree with Travis’ sister who said, “The ultimate penalty will be in the afterlife when she burns in h*ll.”

I’m thinking she must have missed the forgiveness makes it feel better memo.

[Cakers1]

The case merits discussion re: the dp, pro or con. Therefore, what I contribute is what I contribute.

[SusieQ_2]

Absolutely agree, cakers! And the same could be said for us all about whatever we choose to discuss.

[mousiegirl]

The qualities that make people human, Arias does not possess.

[scotttie]

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

I'm going to express my pov (again) instead of addressing every poster here.

First, I already stated that if somebody is FOR the dp and can defend their position in a mature manner, it won't change how I feel about that poster.

Next, nobody for the dp for JA is addressing how SOME posters, not all, are hoping JA is murdered by other inmates and/or beaten to a pulp. Fact. Those feelings were posted on various JA threads.

And yes, some are freaking out over JA not getting the needle - that is what I mean about pulling their hair over this. For heaven's sake - let's fact it - the JA case started out with the salacious s*x details. And that caused many snickering posts in the early days of JA.

So many gruesome murders take place in this country but JA garnered more attention than was really necessary.

I also believe that SOME, not all, really don't care as much about Travis as they claim - and that is because SOME posts have been about her hair, her clothes, her face - etc. Nothing at all that was germane to the case. It always struck me as catty and self-righteous. And, dare I say it, if JA had been a man and Travis a woman? No such remarks would be made.

Let me tell you why I am against the dp - and don't forget I'm in the drive-through state for dp cases.

It's applied unfairly and unevenly; there is always a doubt (DNA aside today). It is the fact that somewhere a person went wrong. Why, is not for me to say. Yes, we are all responsible for our actions and yes, punishment must be handed out no matter who committed the crime or who the victim was.

Not every dp criminal is a hard-core s.o.b without feelings. But at one time that person was somebody's child; at one time there was potential for that person to be somebody else besides a dp case. Whether that person deliberately chose his/her actions that caused him/her to face the ultimate punishment is moot to me.

It is the end of a life that very well should have been about being what he/she should have been. It is the understanding for those who turned the wrong way in a blink of the eye.

I don't hate JA; I hate what she did. Her life sentence is not going to change my life one way or the other.

I'm sorry Travis was murdered but I also mourn any person who had to pay the ultimate punishment; not because I feel sorry for them or feel that they were treated unjustly but because we, as a society, still fail to help the mentally ill, still believe that the dp will ease all the criminal ills in this country, still have throw away children, and most importantly believe that somehow killing the killer will make it all go away. It never did and it never will.

jmoymmv

Whatever one's opinion on the DP, I think that one doesn't have to address every unsavory comment ever rendered on what someone wishes to happen to Arias.

Cakers, you seem to lump all who are not thrilled with the way this case went down into a tidy package.

You constantly refer to your opposition to the dp as if people are angry with you for your pov or that your opinion is the wrong one.

I for one have ambivalent feelings about the dp and I don't think that I have to address every inflammatory comment others make in order to make comment.

I realize you were not speaking specifically to me, but since I have posted many comments I felt compelled to address this post.

[scotttie]

On 3/18/2015 SusieQ_2 said:

And again cakers, I respectfully disagree with most everything you’ve posted.

First, why should anyone here feel a need to defend their position about the death penalty to you or anyone else? I am for it, you are not. I’m not here to change your mind, and you’re not going to change mine. I don’t feel differently about you for your opinion either, so I guess we’re good there.

Next, why should I or anyone else here be asked to defend something that someone else has said? Do I ask you to defend people who want to see Jodi freed? Of course I don’t. Each of us is responsible for what we say, and what we say only.

Regardless of the fact that there are other murders that have taken place, the fact is that this one was highly publicized and the one we are discussing. Still not sure why you’re so bothered by that.

That you believe people have other motivations for posting what they do is interesting, however, people are allowed to post about whatever they want to whether you think it’s relevant or not. It was obviously germane to their conversation, and if you find that conversation unacceptable, then don’t participate. You have your opinion about what is self-righteous, and other people have theirs. We don’t have to agree.

As far as the dp being unevenly applied, it doesn’t matter to me. If someone has committed a crime that has made them dp eligible, then they face the chance that it will be applied to them. That some criminal got off on a technicality, or whatever the case may be, doesn’t matter. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. As far as DNA goes, there are cases where there is no doubt whatsoever about guilt and Jodi was one of those cases.

I have to admit I’m scratching my head about the potentiality of the criminal’s life and having had a mother. Of course that’s almost minor in comparison to the next statement about not caring whether or not a person chose their actions deliberately. Sorry, but those things make zero sense to me and it goes even further downhill in your next paragraph. Suffice it to say, you and I will never agree there.

But hey, here’s something you can agree on! Jodi’s sentence isn’t going to change your life one way or another. But it’s not about you…and it’s not about me (other than that society is wronged when justice is not served). But it is about the family of the young man whose life was stolen from him and the future they would have known having him in their lives. If they feel that justice means having Jodi lose her life for the life she so heinously destroyed then that’s how they feel. They should have had that closure knowing she’d be actually be punished rather that seeing her face on social media and knowing she spends nine hours on a Saturday video chatting with her fans.

If I believed in h*ll, I’d agree with Travis’ sister who said, “The ultimate penalty will be in the afterlife when she burns in h*ll.”

I’m thinking she must have missed the forgiveness makes it feel better memo.

Wow. I wish I had written this. Bravo.

[Maryann_R]

If someone is against the DP, then they shouldn't be a DP juror. Juror #17 could not give any examples of someone that would warrant having the DP. It is my opinion, that she isn't for the DP, that is her right. I am sure they asked the question if warranted could you give the punishment of death. If she would have been honest and said no, then she would have been dismissed, but apparently she didn't do that, and was picked. The defense team put Travis on trial and tried to muddy his character, saying he was an abuser and a child s..offender. The reason this trial gained so much notoriety is because of the 48 hours interview she did after she was arrested on 2008 saying mark my words no jury will ever convict me. Then after she was convicted of pre-meditated murder, she once again went before the cameras talking about how she would rather get the DP then spend life in prison, which was probably another one of her lies, since the got up before the first group of jurors and gave mitigating reasons why she should live. From what I read she was giving ideas to teenagers how they can get fake ID's so they could come and see her in jail. That is why she got her privileges taken away. There is just no stopping her.

[kalikokty]

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 MJ 12 said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/17/2015 Maryann_R said:

<em>But yet all of these people feel sorry for Jodi</em> for the state seeking the DP for what she did. Where is their compassion for what she did to Travis? The look on his face in the first shower picture said it all. He knew what she was going to do to him, I believe. The look was not one of him posing, but one of fear for his life.

Who in the world ever said that they feel sorry for Jodi????? Just because some of us posters are against the death penalty doesn't mean that we don't recognize the severity of this crime. Apples and oranges.

And I still fail to see the "deception" on the part of this juror - you've all been told time and again with reputable links as to what this juror disclosed.

So Jodi didn't get the death penalty. Big deal - it is what it is. I think some of you are just pullling your hair out for reasons other than feeling justice for Travis.

Agree. Not a single person ever stated she "feels sorry for JA" or has any sympathy for her.

And ITA with everything else you said.

Thank you - and let's not forget the posters who have stated that they hope JA gets killed by other inmates.

Something is seriously wrong with this over reaction to JA - it has gone beyond really caring about "justice for Travis" to wishing JA dead by other hands not tied to the execution of the DP.

Great idea. Something is seriously wrong with the MONSTER JA being given a life sentence. I don't believe that if this crime was committed against family member of yours or anyone else on here who opposes the dp would feel satisfied with the verdict of a life sentence.

[kalikokty]

On 3/18/2015 Maryann_R said:

If someone is against the DP, then they shouldn't be a DP juror. Juror #17 could not give any examples of someone that would warrant having the DP. It is my opinion, that she isn't for the DP, that is her right. I am sure they asked the question if warranted could you give the punishment of death. If she would have been honest and said no, then she would have been dismissed, but apparently she didn't do that, and was picked. The defense team put Travis on trial and tried to muddy his character, saying he was an abuser and a child s..offender. The reason this trial gained so much notoriety is because of the 48 hours interview she did after she was arrested on 2008 saying mark my words no jury will ever convict me. Then after she was convicted of pre-meditated murder, she once again went before the cameras talking about how she would rather get the DP then spend life in prison, which was probably another one of her lies, since the got up before the first group of jurors and gave mitigating reasons why she should live. From what I read she was giving ideas to teenagers how they can get fake ID's so they could come and see her in jail. That is why she got her privileges taken away. There is just no stopping her.

[Maryann_R]

On 3/18/2015 kalikokty said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 MJ 12 said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/17/2015 Maryann_R said:

<em>But yet all of these people feel sorry for Jodi</em> for the state seeking the DP for what she did. Where is their compassion for what she did to Travis? The look on his face in the first shower picture said it all. He knew what she was going to do to him, I believe. The look was not one of him posing, but one of fear for his life.

Who in the world ever said that they feel sorry for Jodi????? Just because some of us posters are against the death penalty doesn't mean that we don't recognize the severity of this crime. Apples and oranges.

And I still fail to see the "deception" on the part of this juror - you've all been told time and again with reputable links as to what this juror disclosed.

So Jodi didn't get the death penalty. Big deal - it is what it is. I think some of you are just pullling your hair out for reasons other than feeling justice for Travis.

Agree. Not a single person ever stated she "feels sorry for JA" or has any sympathy for her.

And ITA with everything else you said.

Thank you - and let's not forget the posters who have stated that they hope JA gets killed by other inmates.

Something is seriously wrong with this over reaction to JA - it has gone beyond really caring about "justice for Travis" to wishing JA dead by other hands not tied to the execution of the DP.

Great idea. Something is seriously wrong with the MONSTER JA being given a life sentence. I don't believe that if this crime was committed against family member of yours or anyone else on here who opposes the dp would feel satisfied with the verdict of a life sentence.

Especially considering that she could potentially get LWP. Time being served for almost 7 years, she could get out and terrorize other men that in her eyes have done her wrong.