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[Mama Mia]

On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:

On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:

Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

As I stated elsewhere, it was routine when I was growing up that homes were quarantined when someone had a communicable disease (and there were many then). Nobody called it a "police state." It was just common sense.

Ford is absolutely right and I remember it well.

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[LilacTree]

On 10/30/2014 brii said:

The likelihood of her having Ebola is pretty slim, IMO. I think by now she would have started showing symptoms.

But a 21-day quarantine is what she's supposed to be following. People cannot just decide for themselves what they're going to follow or not follow. I don't think the military has a choice.

I agree brii, and whether or not she comes down with it, she should follow the laws of her state or go somewhere else. As you say, the military is not objecting, and they are over there building safe havens, not treating patients. 21 days for them is nothing compared to what they've had to deal with for years.

For some reason she thinks she is above it all, and that is what's frightening. Because what if she "wins," then everyone coming back will think it's okay to just run around wherever they want to go, and sooner or later it will backfire on us.

What is wrong with "an abundance of caution" when it comes to something like this?

[Ismilealot]

On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:

Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

Well, the CIC is considered the head of the military and he is also a politician, so you can figure that one out. Also, my understanding is they are being monitored and being kept stationary in Italy. Are these "monitors" armed? I would imagine if they are also members of the military. They are not allowed to go out for a bike ride. You are really splitting hairs and I suspect you heard the little speech the other day and are taking your talking points from that. Either "science" says people need to be quarantined or it does not. That should apply to all PEOPLE, there should be no difference no matter whether you are being paid by the govt or not.

[Marienkaefer2]

On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:

On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:

Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

As I stated elsewhere, it was routine when I was growing up that homes were quarantined when someone had a communicable disease (and there were many then). Nobody called it a "police state." It was just common sense.

Hi Ford! I think I will have to disagree with you here. First, she's not sick and does not have the virus in her system. Therefore, she's not capable of exposing anyone to anything. Second, this disease is different than the ones in the past that you're describing, like measles or mumps (for example). It is not airborne, and it is not easily caught through casual contact. The sick person must be in the throes of the illness, when the viral load is highest, AND others must be in close contact with bodily fluids, or the dead body itself, in order for others to be at risk to catch it. Third, if Kaci should be quarantined, then what about the other people who flew on the plane with her? What about the people who were at EWR the day she was there? What about the docs treating Dr. Spencer right now? She's not sick, she does not have the virus in her system, and there's no reason for this quarantine. I think she's doing the right thing by pushing back against misinformation. I do have one question that I haven't seen answered yet. Her boyfriend who lives with her..does the quarantine apply to him as well?

[brii]

On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:

On 10/30/2014 brii said:

The likelihood of her having Ebola is pretty slim, IMO. I think by now she would have started showing symptoms.

But a 21-day quarantine is what she's supposed to be following. People cannot just decide for themselves what they're going to follow or not follow. I don't think the military has a choice.

I agree brii, and whether or not she comes down with it, she should follow the laws of her state or go somewhere else. As you say, the military is not objecting, and they are over there building safe havens, not treating patients. 21 days for them is nothing compared to what they've had to deal with for years.

For some reason she thinks she is above it all, and that is what's frightening. Because what if she "wins," then everyone coming back will think it's okay to just run around wherever they want to go, and sooner or later it will backfire on us.

What is wrong with "an abundance of caution" when it comes to something like this?

It just looks bad.

[LilacTree]

On 10/30/2014 Caravaggio said:

On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:

On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:

Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

As I stated elsewhere, it was routine when I was growing up that homes were quarantined when someone had a communicable disease (and there were many then). Nobody called it a "police state." It was just common sense.

Exactly. My older brother came down with Meningitis when he was two years old and my mother was pregnant with me. He was immediately put under quarantine in a hospital bed tent and my parents had to keep my older sister and brother home from school. No whining or complaining it was just done.

As I wrote in another thread, I was also quarantined in a hospital for TB patients when I was 14 years old and kept out of school for a year because of illnesses I had, including scarlet fever. My parents had to visit me by looking through a glass window. As a result, I didn't communicate that disease to anyone else because of being quarantined.

I nor my parents didn't see any loss of "freedom" then, and I don't see it now.

[Teacups]

$$$$ is this what she is thinking along with the 15 minutes?

[focksie]

On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:

Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

But that's just it Free. She may know her own health status at this given moment in time but what about in the next hour, in the next day...just like Dr. Spencer, she can't possibly know what her health status will be from minute to minute during the incubation period. That's why it's called an incubation period -- the period of time in which the virus can replicate and the disease can manifest. None of us can predict whether this may happen to her during the incubation period. Why is this common sense so difficult to understand?

[Lion]

On 10/30/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:

Hi Ford! I think I will have to disagree with you here. First, she's not sick and does not have the virus in her system. Therefore, she's not capable of exposing anyone to anything. Second, this disease is different than the ones in the past that you're describing, like measles or mumps (for example). It is not airborne, and it is not easily caught through casual contact. The sick person must be in the throes of the illness, when the viral load is highest, AND others must be in close contact with bodily fluids, or the dead body itself, in order to be at risk to catch it. Third, if Kaci should be quarantined, then what about the other people who flew on the plane with her? What about the people who were at EWR the day she was there? What about the docs treating Dr. Spencer right now? She's not sick, she does not have the virus in her system, and there's no reason for this quarantine. I think she's doing the right thing by pushing back against misinformation. I do have one question that I haven't seen answered yet. Her boyfriend who lives with her..dies the quarantine apply to him as well?

Excellent post and points expressed. Thank you, Marien.

[terrier3]

On 10/30/2014 Caravaggio said:

On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:

Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

That is correct kitty. I think what people get upset about is that it seems to the public that they are being treated differently then the healthcare workers etc. I think this can also be said for Mr. Duncan's family and friends. They were immediately quarantined if I am not mistaken. So much has happened since that poor man died.

His family was quarantined and NONE of them got the disease.

This reminds me of the early days of the AIDS epidemic...total paranoia.

BTW - She can't be the ONLY nurse who has come home in the last week or so...what is happening with everyone else????