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[Mom2Dogs]

@Hmmmmm24    Our home is well protected, ALL THE TIME.

[ellaphant]

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

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@ellaphant wrote:

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

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@hckynutjohn wrote:

@Trailrun23 

I will make this very short. An AR 15 is not an assault rifle.

hckynut 🇺🇸

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Agreed. 

You're part of thebproblem. Call it whatever you want. It should be banned. 

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Get real.  It's not the weapon that's the problem, it's the individual.  Someone can use a hammer to kill another.  Does that mean hammers should be banned?  

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Your " logic" is ridiculous. Nowhere in the world has the gun violence  the U.S.has. 

[Sooner]

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@eadu4 wrote:

@Sooner  Respectfully I understand you want to differentiate between a "criminal mind" and "mental illness".   The problem is, a good majority of criminals are psychopatchs, sociopaths or another form of what is catagorized as mental illness.  Again I do understand what you are trying to say, but in the end, criminals have forms of mental illness as they have crossed the moral society lines and decided to commit crimes.  

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@eadu4 Yes but a criminal is a criminal whether or not they are defined as mentally ill. A criminal is a danger to others, which is why that individual should be treated as a threat and dealt with.  

Just recently in Oklahoma the guy who killed the wife and children should have never been let loose on society.  He was a criminal and a known threat and not treated as such. 

[eadu4]

@ellaphant  We have the level of "gun" violence because we have a non-stop flow of ILLEGAL guns coming into the country for criminals to use and other countries have STRICT LAWS and they ENFORCE them.  You don't want to get caught in other countries committing crimes period. You get locked up for a long time.  They don't fool around with their criminals.  Right now it seems there's a green light to commit crimes in this country and plenty of people willing to do it without a whole lot of consequences.  No one is being held responsible.  

      And the logic IS there.  If you ban guns it will NOT stop the ILLEGAL flow of guns in this country.  It actually green lights the criminal to commit any and all crimes.   Unless we prosecute with HARSH penalties there is no deterent to commiting any crime.  Violent crime doesn't stop when you take away one tool.  They will always find another.  Again gun laws only work on people who follow them.  People commiting crimes don't follow laws.

     Please also bear in mind we don't hear alot of what goes on in other countries.  We really don't.  You think you do, but what we get is pretty filtered by those countries.  We have a crisis of society norms and morals.  We have a big loss of basic respect, family values, morals you name it.  Other cultures are slowly devolving as well unfortunately.  But our recent lack of tough prosecution is driving a lot of this.    

[10sluvr]

I hope they charge him as an adult and charge the adults that allowed him around the gun/guns! No slap on the wrist!

[Trailrun23]

When my kids were 12, I knew where they were, who they were with, and what they were doing! 

[moonandthestars]

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@occasionalrain wrote:

Those like the man responsible for Sandy Hook could not be cured and the medication to alter his behavior has side effects that result in the person avoiding them.

His mother, whom he killed first, provided him with the gun. She is to blame. The school failed to provide security. Had proper security been in place,  only the shooter would have died. 

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I remember reading his mother thought that the focus of target shooting helped him gain focus and thought it was helping with his autism.  I don't remember if he somehow had/stole the code to the gun safe or if it was unlocked. That shooter also obsessively played violent video games in his basement.  Obviously she had no idea the monster he was.

The school was unarmed and he was the only one with a weapon of any kind.  They were completely vulnerable with no effective ability to fight back/protect.

It's also been reported, that the trans killer had many possible targets on her list of places to hit, but she purposefully decided against going to  the ones where they had some kind of armed protection.

I am always surprised when people blame the weapon.  IT"S THE PERSON.  What kind of 12 year old shoots someone to death? What is wrong with that kid?  What about the 6 year old who shot his teacher?  The teacher said how he looked at her before he shot her was chilling.

There are mass murders all over the world.  Interestingly when I try to go back on the internet and find the reports of them they seem gone/ can't find them.  Someone very recently I think in brazil broke into a school and knifed people/kids to death - same amount dead as the trans shooter did recently - and in brazil the weapon was just a knife.  Not some kind of AR knife, just a knife.  Mass numbers of people have been killed with spears, knives, cars, bombs, fire, etc - and I'm heartbroken that that is the case, however why get distracted with the idea that if you eliminate one type of gun then the killings will stop? 

[MakeUpMaidn]

"Serbia holds anti-gun protests after mass shootings ​​— and other world news you may have missed"

      (ref;  Yahoo.News.  :  Niamh Cavanaugh, Reporter)

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"Serbians hand in thousands of guns after two mass killings"

 (ref:  WashingtonPost.   Frances Vinall,  May 12, 23)

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"Guns, grenades and rocket launchers are among 13,500 weapons surrendered in Serbia"

"BELGRADE, Serbia — Authorities in Serbia on Sunday displayed stacks of guns and cartons of hand grenades from the thousands of weapons, including anti-tank rocket launchers, that they said people handed over since back-to-back mass shootings stunned the Balkan nation."

      (ref:  NPR.   May 15, 2023)

(In this photo provided by the Serbian Presidential Press Service, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic, left, inspects weapons collected as part of an amnesty near the city of Smederevo, Serbia, Sunday, May 14, 2023)

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"Serbia Offers Amnesty for Illegal Firearms, and Thousands Are Collected"

"The unregistered weapons were handed over to the authorities as the government vows to disarm the country after two mass shootings."

   (Ref:  NYTimes.  ref:  May 12, 2023)

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Google Keyword Search:  "Serbia guns"

[goldensrbest]

Iwill say yet again,we all are at risk of being shot,what a sad fact.

[on the bay]

We are maybe still horrified and saddened but no longer "stunned."

What a contrast-amazing how they responded in Serbia. Can only wish.