Beauty

[Adelina]

On 5/20/2015 HappyDaze said:

On 5/20/2015 Drythe said:

This was originally posted (Started 02/26/2015)

It has been bumped twice by the same poster - check it out.

Both bumps concede with up-coming visits from Chaz.

Coincidence?

Oh yeah, don't think I didn't notice. And it wasn't the only old post that the poster bumped up. Not real sly, eh?

[kcladyz]

Well wen is currently being sued for this so who knows. I would stop using wen and see if your hair grows back then you will know for sure. maybe be checked for allergies against whats on the wen ingredient list

[birkin baby]

On 2/27/2015 sylviahomeatlast said:

On 2/26/2015 TuesdayTaylor said:

Yep, I'm sure once you stop using WEN your 10 bald spots will immediately grow back in and you won't need to get injections anymore. Pity the person sticking needles in your scalp didn't tell you that conditioner could be making random bald patches on your head. Oh well, once you stop the WEN you won't have the problem anymore so it's all good.

sounds kind of mean ^^^^^^

Sounds kinda? It is very sarcastic!!!

[Ms X]

Great points, surfk! I've been to doctors for bald spots just like those the OP described and have NEVER been asked about use of Wen or ANY HAIR PRODUCT. NEVER. In 2010, three doctors conferred about my condition (one a relative) and the subject never came up.

[Feldspar]

On 5/19/2015 HappyDaze said:

On 5/19/2015 Feldspar said:

On 5/19/2015 Feldspar said:

On 3/10/2015 product tester said:

Ok, I just replied about my Wen experience a couple days ago. I just saw a news report about a very popular preservative called methylchloroisothiazolinone and other iazolinones causing a lot of allergies in people lately. The symptoms are similar to eczema, ie skin irritations, redness, peeling, etc. These preservatives are the last two ingredients in all Wen conditioning cleansers. I have a feeling this is the cause of hair loss in some people using it. I personally don't feel this is a big problem for me so I will continue to use Wen, but it certainly is something to think about. These chemicals can be found in a million products, like baby wipes, hand soaps, shampoos, etc. It might pay to read labels!

Or NOT pay...considering the original topic! ha ha

Don't you think maybe the ambulance-chasing law firm is widely publicizing this supposed "case" in order to attract additional litigants? Out of the millions of people who have used Wen for many years, there are six people attempting to get "class action" compensation. A higher percentage of people have problems with drinking water.

If there is a "known manufacturing defect" why haven't they provided it as "proof"? The lawsuit is directed at Guthy-Renker, but if there really is some weird "defect", wouldn't Guthy-Renker then sue the product formulators from which they licensed the products?

Methylchloroisothiazolinone - this is one of the preservatives used instead of Parabens, because conspiracy theorists made everyone terrified of parabens. Methylchloroisothiazolinone causes way more allergic reactions and irritations, but...it's not a paraben!

No matter - it NOT in Wen cleansing conditioners anyways.

Water, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Prunus Serotina (Wild Cherry) Bark Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Vegetable Oil (Olus Oil), Panthenol, Butylene Glycol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Polysorbate 60, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Amodimethicone, Citric Acid, Menthol, Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Fragrance, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Geraniol, Benzyl Benzoate, Hydroxycitronellal, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde.

I don't know where you got that ingredient list or what formula it is for but most of WEN CC DOES contain Methylchloroisothiazolinone. Here are the ingredients for several formulas taken directly from WEN's QVC item pages:

Sweet Almond Mint: Water, Aloe Vera Gel, Glycerin, Chamomile Extract, Cherry Bark Extract, Calendula Extract, Rosemary Extract, Behentrimonium Chloride, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cetyl Alcohol, Emulsifying Wax, Panthenol, Trimethylsilylamodimethicone, Hydrolyzed Whole Wheat Protein, PEG-60, Almond Glycerides, Menthol, Essential Oils, Citric Acid, Methylchoroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Fragrance.

Pomegranate: Water, Organic Aloe Vera Leaf Juice, Pomegranate Extract, Rosemary Leaf Extract, Chamomile Extract, Marigold Flower Extract, Wild Cherry Fruit Extract, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cetyl Alcohol, Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B5), Sweet Almond Oil, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Menthol, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Polysorbate-60, Fragrance, Tetrasodium EDTA, Methylisothiazolinone, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Citric Acid.

Fig: Water, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Rosemary Leaf Extract, Wild Cherry Fruit Extract, Fig Extract, Chamomile Extract, Marigold Flower Extract, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Amodimethicone, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Polysorbate 60, Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B5), Menthol, Sweet Almond Oil, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Methlisothiazolinone, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Citric Acid, Essential Oils.

Cucumber Aloe: Water, Organic Aloe Vera Leaf Juice, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Rosemary Leaf Extract, Cucumber Fruit Extract, Chamomile Extract, Marigold Flower Extract, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Amodimethicone, Polysorbate 60, Witch Hazel, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Avocado Oil, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Glycerin, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B5), Citric Acid, Methylisothiazolinone, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Essential Oils.

I think you're on to something here!

How odd...this is from Sephora.com for Wen Sweet Almond Mint Cleansing Conditioner:

Water, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Prunus Serotina (Wild Cherry) Bark Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Vegetable Oil (Olus Oil), Panthenol, Butylene Glycol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Polysorbate 60, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Amodimethicone, Citric Acid, Menthol, Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Fragrance, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Geraniol, Benzyl Benzoate, Hydroxycitronellal, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde.

Here's Wen Lavender Cleansing Conditioner:

Water, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Water, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Oil, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Vegetable Oil (Olus Oil), Guar Hydroxylpropyltrimonium Chloride, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Panthenol, Butylene Glycol, Menthol, Amodimethicone, Polysorbate 60, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Citric Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin, *Geraniol, *Limonene, *Linalool. *EU Allergens

Wen Six Thirteen:

Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Panthenyl Hydroxypropyl Steardimonium Chloride, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Bambusa Vulgaris Extract, Camellia Oleifera Leaf Extract, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Fruit Extract, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Leaf Extract, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Fruit Extract, Euterpe Oleracea Fruit Extract, Eriobotrya Japonica Leaf Extract, Eugenia Caryophyllus (Clove) Flower Extract, Honey (Mel) Extract, Lycium Barbarum Fruit Extract, Myristica Fragrans (Nutmeg) Extract, Nelumbo Nucifera Seed Extract, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Bran Oil, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Panax Quinquefolium Root Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Oil, Zingiber Officinale (Ginger) Root Extract, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Oil, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Oil, Crambe Abyssinica Seed Oil, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Oil, Borago Officinalis Seed Oil, Linum Usitatissimum (Linseed) Seed Oil, Oenothera Biennis (Evening Primrose) Seed Oil, Ocimum Basilicum (Basil) Flower/Leaf Extract, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Hydrolyzed Quinoa, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Vanilla Planifolia Fruit Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Glycerin, Ethylhexylglycerin, Amodimethicone, Butylene Glycol, Propylene Glycol, Polysorbate 20, Polysorbate 60, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-7, Tocopherol, Sodium PCA, Sodium Lactate, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, PCA, Glycine, Alanine, Serine, Valine, Proline, Threonine, Isoleucine, Phenylalanine, Histidine, Soluble Collagen, Glycogen, Vanillin, Citric Acid, Tetrasodium EDTA, Carbomer, Phenoxyethanol, Menthol, Fragrance, Limonene, Citral.

The products must have different ingredients depending upon where they are sold? I wonder if they have completely different manufacturers? I almost bought WEN here on QVC, but now I won't, because I don't want to use Methylchloroisothiazolinone! I have bad skin reactions from it...exactly like you wrote about. It wouldn't surprise me if the irritation caused scalp issues and hair loss. That makes perfect sense.

But. back to the lawsuit attempt, I don't think this could be considered a "manufacturing defect", because methylchloroisothiazolinone is allowed in cosmetics with short duration skin contact, such as rinse-off hair conditioners. Possibly it's a "defect" because Wen says that it can be used as a leave-in, and that could cause nasty skin reactions.

[77yangya]

Cosmic 1 nailed it. It IS a fallacy to think that shampoo is a must to cleanse the hair and scalp. Anyone who has bald issues, I feel sorry for but there are tons out there bashing Wen so when I see someone complaining of this problem I'm skeptical. I believe it is alopecia like some of the other posters. The doctor must have told you what the problem is before implementing any attempt of a cure, again like other posters said.

[DDee1952]

Dear mariem60....
I also have had this happen, but what I noticed first was handfuls coming out when I ran my fingers thru dry hair....I even tried again later, same results...I have very curly hair, dry and such, but it used to be nice curls, not frizzy...now, since WEN, it's very thin and whispy and the curls are very small and frizzy...I hate it

[MarcieK]

I used Wen sweet almond mint cleansing conditioner for a month or two. One day I asked my granddaughter if my hair seemed thinner. The next day I read that Wen causes baldness! So I stopped using it. Probably 1/2 of the volume of my hair is gone. I have never had this problem before. Does anyone know if it will grow back in time?

[MarcieK]

How can you say Wen does not cause baldness? I am glad people are sharing this info because my hair was falling out using Wen and I stopped using it when I read that other people were having the same problem. I could have gone to the doctor and spent hundreds of dollars for them to tell me that it is probably caused by something new in my routine, which Wen cleansing conditioner was.

[Drythe]

And yet another bump-up to concide with a visit from Chaz.