Beauty

[HerRoyaLioness]

On 9/18/2014 chrystaltree said:

You ladies really need to step into the year 2014 and start using better terminology. No one says "ethnic hair" anymore. Probably because everyone is "ethnic" and we all have hair...lol It doesn't mean anything. Also, there is really no such thing as "black hair" because just as back complexions come in a wide range, black hair comes in a wide range of textures. From dead straight to curly to kinky to coily. I assume you are referring to curly/kinky hair 3B, 3C, 4A, B, C. I don't believe Nick Chavez targets curly hair girls of any enthnicity. His products focus on thickening, adding volume, control etc. He doesn't actually offer any super hydrating products or curl custards or curl gels or oils specifically made for curls. That's why he doesn't use any black, hispanic or mixed race models. The Curly Girl movement is happening with out him. It's quite the opposite for Chaz and WEN. Chaz has embraced the Curly Girl and Natural Hair movements.

You have got to be kidding.

Hair is MUCH different in people of different races, ethnicity or however you want to say it. Curly hair is not just curly hair - lots of differences in the type of hair.

As was mentioned, Nick seems to be limited in what he is able to present these days.

[NC Bandwagon]

On 9/18/2014 chrystaltree said:

You ladies really need to step into the year 2014 and start using better terminology. No one says "ethnic hair" anymore. Probably because everyone is "ethnic" and we all have hair...lol It doesn't mean anything. Also, there is really no such thing as "black hair" because just as back complexions come in a wide range, black hair comes in a wide range of textures. From dead straight to curly to kinky to coily. I assume you are referring to curly/kinky hair 3B, 3C, 4A, B, C. I don't believe Nick Chavez targets curly hair girls of any enthnicity. His products focus on thickening, adding volume, control etc. He doesn't actually offer any super hydrating products or curl custards or curl gels or oils specifically made for curls. That's why he doesn't use any black, hispanic or mixed race models. The Curly Girl movement is happening with out him. It's quite the opposite for Chaz and WEN. Chaz has embraced the Curly Girl and Natural Hair movements.

Hello, chrystaltree.

While it's true that Nick has a lot of things for ladies with thinning hair, Nick also has some products for ladies with ethnic hair. Ethnic as is very curly hair and such. The products that Nick has for ladies (and men, if they're interested) are:

Nick Chavez Traditions Yucca Root Shampoo and Conditioner (it even says "hydration" on the shampoo tube)

Nick Chavez Velvet Mesquite Serum

My hair is a real bear to deal with. Since I've been using Nick's Traditions Yucca Root shampoo and conditioner, I've noticed quite a difference with my hair. It does indeed give moisture to the hair and is very good for someone with dry hair. It even restored the natural color to my hair. As much as I love Nick and think he's a sweetheart, I wouldn't use his products if they didn't work for me.

The reason people here don't know about it is because Nick's products that give deep nourishment to the hair aren't shown here on QVC USA. I had to learn about Nick's Traditions Yucca Root shampoo and conditioner is by watching QVC Italy. And lately, Nick himself has been saying, "some ladies don't want a lot of volume in their hair." So I think even Nick's aware of this. Nick's Velvet Mesquite Serum can be used by anyone, but that made a big noticeable difference in my hair, too. It's very, very soft and doesn't feel so dry now.

Sorry if that was a long winded post. Anyway, yes, I believe Nick does have products that are meant for ladies with ethnic hair. We just don't get to see them.

[CoG]

Thank you ladies! I didn't know Nick made anything I can use. I don't particularly care how you define my hair texture but it's thick and wiry and springs back to an inch when with straightening it' s mid back length.

I'm encouraged to read that I'm not the only one to notice how infrequently black models are used. - For Anything. The one that irritates me the most, besides Laura Geller's constant "It works for ever tone" is the IT model who constantly rubs an empty dry brush over the face and there is absolutely no change in coverage. The offerings of most of the cosmetics vendors include a "deep" which is really tan and turns grey or white on dark skin.

Mally recently came out with a mousse in real deep. It actually brought tears to my eyes as I applied it and it blended into my skin flawlessly, a perfect match. Think Oprah- that's my "tone". It's also a moisturizer! The only other company that comes close is LANCOME but as their offerings get darker they get bizarre. The 550 (C) is neon orange even though they claim that C means cool and 560 (C) looks like road tar or pig farm mud. BE mineral foundation turns to a green metal sheen. I've heard they also offer real dark /deep foundation that isn't metallic but only in Europe.

I would like to think it is a matter of sales. But I know that African American Women spend more per capita on makeup than any other race studied. So I do blame QVC for excluding us. If our models are beautiful enough for clothing, surely they should be able to honestly apply makeup on air. Come on, even the sets have lipstick and eyeshadow that can't be anything flattering on my face or theirs. We're back to the "passing" days. If you're an acceptable honey color, they have makeup for you, otherwise, Mally the only exception, you're out of luck. It saddens me to hear all the ladies praise products that I can't even use, still, in 2014!

What do you think it would take to encourage QVC to allow Nick to advertise products I can use? Surely if WEN is enough to run Ojon off the air, Nick's products that moisturize, soften , tame would be welcomed.

[Colonel Meow]

On 9/18/2014 chrystaltree said:

You ladies really need to step into the year 2014 and start using better terminology. No one says "ethnic hair" anymore. Probably because everyone is "ethnic" and we all have hair...lol It doesn't mean anything. Also, there is really no such thing as "black hair" because just as back complexions come in a wide range, black hair comes in a wide range of textures. From dead straight to curly to kinky to coily. I assume you are referring to curly/kinky hair 3B, 3C, 4A, B, C. I don't believe Nick Chavez targets curly hair girls of any enthnicity. His products focus on thickening, adding volume, control etc. He doesn't actually offer any super hydrating products or curl custards or curl gels or oils specifically made for curls. That's why he doesn't use any black, hispanic or mixed race models. The Curly Girl movement is happening with out him. It's quite the opposite for Chaz and WEN. Chaz has embraced the Curly Girl and Natural Hair movements.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe that many of the posters who have responded to this thread are women of color - and they, themselves, are using the term "ethnic hair".

I, personally, call my hair "ethnic" - as do all my friends who are WoC. Perhaps we are all outdated, lol, but I can personally attest that there are many people who still say "ethnic hair". (Be it right or wrong.)

[HonnyBrown]

I didn't start referring to my hair as "ethnic" until I joined the Wen forums.

My hair is referred to as coilly, curly, Black.

And crystaltree is right...the issues, products,successes are universal! 3 non-AA women gave me advice on a Wen styling cream that gave me the best hair ever!

[Colonel Meow]

On 9/18/2014 HonnyBrown said:

I didn't start referring to my hair as "ethnic" until I joined the Wen forums.

My hair is referred to as coilly, curly, Black.

And crystaltree is right...the issues, products,successes are universal! 3 non-AA women gave me advice on a Wen styling cream that gave me the best hair ever!

No argument here. I am a WEN girl, myself.

[islandgrrl]

I don't think we need to expend energy arguing about how we refer to our own hair. We are all here trying to support one another (regardless of race), to feel good about our beauty products, and to have fun. I think the point of many in this thread is simply trying to understand which Chavez products will work on various hair types. If he used women of color to model occasionally it would help sort through that issue.

To crystaltree: my use of the term 'ethnic' is meant to broaden the discussion. There are Latinas and Mediterranean women who have similar if not identical needs for moisture as do AA women. Just so you know, it isn't a code word for me as your post @17 seemed to imply. If that term offends you, I apologize.

[Colonel Meow]

On 9/18/2014 islandgrrl said:

I don't think we need to expend energy arguing about how we refer to our own hair. We are all here trying to support one another (regardless of race), to feel good about our beauty products, and to have fun. I think the point of many in this thread is simply trying to understand which Chavez products will work on various hair types. If he used women of color to model occasionally it would help sort through that issue.

To crystaltree: my use of the term 'ethnic' is meant to broaden the discussion. There are Latinas and Mediterranean women who have similar if not identical needs for moisture as do AA women. Just so you know, it isn't a code word for me as your post @17 seemed to imply. If that term offends you, I apologize.

Well said.

[KrissieK]

I don't think crystaltree meant any harm. I think it's great info for this thread. Typing hair by numbers is more specific than the broad term "ethnic". And when you think about, the term "ethnic" is not very accurate. Every person is ethnic. Every person is different. For example, i have type 4a hair that was not dry. Since my recent illness, I don't know who's hair is on my head, lol. By watching youtube and reading the naturallycurly website (for all hairtypes), I have learned to type my hair, porosity, protein and other things to help pin point what products and ingredients work well with my hair. I love shea moisture but will check out NC line. Great thread. I hope this leads to more information.

[Colonel Meow]

On 9/18/2014 KrissieK said: I don't think crystaltree meant any harm. I think it's great info for this thread. Typing hair by numbers is more specific than the broad term "ethnic". And when you think about, the term "ethnic" is not very accurate. Every person is ethnic. Every person is different. For example, i have type 4a hair that was not dry. Since my recent illness, I don't know who's hair is on my head, lol. By watching youtube and reading the naturallycurly website (for all hairtypes), I have learned to type my hair, porosity, protein and other things to help pin point what products and ingredients work well with my hair. I love shea moisture but will check out NC line. Great thread. I hope this leads to more information.

Oh, I agree with all of your points. I just didn't appreciate the condescending tone that accompanied her post. I don't need someone else telling me what to "call" my hair, lol!