Beauty

[HappyDaze]

On 7/20/2014 MarenSeattle said:

On 7/20/2014 HappyDaze said:

Maren, I don't think anyone is resistant to zinc as much as you think? I don't get that impression at all when talking with others about it so I'm not sure why you you think that? The only reason I personally am cautious about it is because often too high of zinc irritates my skin. That is why I like the Andalou CC- it is one of the few with 20% zinc that doesn't not in any way irriate my skin. There are quite a few people that cannot tolerate zinc at a higher level like that. But I don't think anyone avoids or resists it for any other reason, not that I can see anyway.

I feel that way because people continue to use sunscreens with chemicals, MINIMAL zinc (if any) feel that Titanium is the same as zinc, etc.

Plus, there really is a hit/miss process in finding one that is pleasing to wear.

I should probably rephrase -- not resistant to zinc, but indifferent, not really realizing the benefits.

I wish I could find a definitive answer to what percentage of zinc does the job. One Derm said "at least 10%" -- so is 10% enough? Is more better? Can't seem to nail that down, but going by that, I kinda feel that 10% is a good starting point if you're not going to be out frying in the sun all day -- runs to the store, to work, etc. But that's just IMO.

That is a valid concern -- the reaction. They always make zinc sound so innocuous "they use it for diaper rash!" but there are those (obviously) who have their limit. :-)

That being said, I wonder what it is about Andalou's that causes it to be non-irritating for you?

And I applaud and bow to you for your continuing search, lots of people would have given up. Seems like your effort was rewarded?

well imho, and according to research I've done, I feel that just as important, if not more, as the % of zinc in an SPF is the re-application of a sunscreen throughout the day, especially after sweating, swimming, wiping your face, etc. I know some feel that a physical sunscreen doesn't need to be re-applied but there doesn't seem to be any real conclusive evidence and consensus in the scientific community that this is true. So I personally would rather be safe than sorry and re-apply it at least once a day. Anyway, I guess I am not as focused on % of the zinc as I am re-application and avoiding chemical sunscreens, although I do try to aim for the highest amount of zinc possible without irritation, which varies from product to product.

I feel that there must be some ingredient(s) in the Andalou that is somehow buffering the potentially irritating effect of the zinc, similar to why certain vitamin C products (ones using the same % and type of C) or retinol products, or even BHA/AHA products tend to be more irritating than others- it is the mix of the other ingredients that can help to minimize the irritation.

[HappyDaze]

Hi Wackers!! No worries about not answering right away- I just wanted to be sure you saw this post when you did get back onto the forum.

I hope your new laptop works out well for you- seems like an incredibly good price for one!

I can't believe you haven't gotten your SKIN79 sampler yet? Do you have a tracking number for it? I also can't believe she jumped the price of that other item that high just because she only had a few left in stock. Crazy! I guess I can kind of see raising it a little but that amount, like $100, is just greedy! And it seems like she would turn buyers off by doing that.

In terms of why there seems to be higher incidents of skin cancer these days, I have alot of thoughts about that, some of which might get people all worked up but based on evidence I see, I am leaning towards believing it anyway. I won't get into details but I do believe we show more skin than we use to (i.e. the way we dress is vastly different than it use to be); due to environmental changes, we are getting more concentrated amounts of the UVA/UVB than we use to; we don't eat as well as we should which helps protect our skin from within; we take too many medications and apply too much stuff to our skin which can make our skin more susceptible/sensitive to the sun's rays (such as retin-a, retinols, antibiotics, etc)- I would assume this is why the increase in skin cancer incidents tend to be in more developed countries, where drugs and chemicals are more readily used; and I think we can identify skin cancer better these days. Regarding the last statement, I often wonder if perhaps it isn't so much that skin cancer is truly more prevalent now than it was then or is it that we now are more aware of it, can identify it early on and therefore can take care of it before it spreads and becomes a different type of cancer. I wonder how many people in the past died from cancer that was diagnosed in some other area (bone, breast, lymph nodes, lung, etc) but actually began as skin cancer. It would be interesting to know.

Anyway, those are my thoughts, take it for what they are worth, lol.

I have not tried my SKIN79 samples yet- I've had outings I've gone to the past few days and didn't want to try something new, since I was going to be around a bunch of people. I will give them a try this week, on days when I won't need to go anywhere real important, just in case they turn out too dark or funky,

[myshell624]

Don't feel bad wackers. My samples have an estimated delivery date of tomorrow. We shall see.

[MarenSeattle]

On 7/20/2014 HappyDaze said:

On 7/20/2014 MarenSeattle said:

On 7/20/2014 HappyDaze said:

Maren, I don't think anyone is resistant to zinc as much as you think? I don't get that impression at all when talking with others about it so I'm not sure why you you think that? The only reason I personally am cautious about it is because often too high of zinc irritates my skin. That is why I like the Andalou CC- it is one of the few with 20% zinc that doesn't not in any way irriate my skin. There are quite a few people that cannot tolerate zinc at a higher level like that. But I don't think anyone avoids or resists it for any other reason, not that I can see anyway.

I feel that way because people continue to use sunscreens with chemicals, MINIMAL zinc (if any) feel that Titanium is the same as zinc, etc.

Plus, there really is a hit/miss process in finding one that is pleasing to wear.

I should probably rephrase -- not resistant to zinc, but indifferent, not really realizing the benefits.

I wish I could find a definitive answer to what percentage of zinc does the job. One Derm said "at least 10%" -- so is 10% enough? Is more better? Can't seem to nail that down, but going by that, I kinda feel that 10% is a good starting point if you're not going to be out frying in the sun all day -- runs to the store, to work, etc. But that's just IMO.

That is a valid concern -- the reaction. They always make zinc sound so innocuous "they use it for diaper rash!" but there are those (obviously) who have their limit. :-)

That being said, I wonder what it is about Andalou's that causes it to be non-irritating for you?

And I applaud and bow to you for your continuing search, lots of people would have given up. Seems like your effort was rewarded?

well imho, and according to research I've done, I feel that just as important, if not more, as the % of zinc in an SPF is the re-application of a sunscreen throughout the day, especially after sweating, swimming, wiping your face, etc. I know some feel that a physical sunscreen doesn't need to be re-applied but there doesn't seem to be any real conclusive evidence and consensus in the scientific community that this is true. So I personally would rather be safe than sorry and re-apply it at least once a day. Anyway, I guess I am not as focused on % of the zinc as I am re-application and avoiding chemical sunscreens, although I do try to aim for the highest amount of zinc possible without irritation, which varies from product to product.

I feel that there must be some ingredient(s) in the Andalou that is somehow buffering the potentially irritating effect of the zinc, similar to why certain vitamin C products (ones using the same % and type of C) or retinol products, or even BHA/AHA products tend to be more irritating than others- it is the mix of the other ingredients that can help to minimize the irritation.

Valid and important point! I honestly never think of that, though, because I'm never out in the sun. In and out of my car, maybe walking down the street for a couple of blocks, that's it. And the only parts of my body that are ever exposed are my hands and forearms (I DO use sunscreen there and reapply whenever I wash my hands). If I go to a restaurant that has a deck, I opt to stay inside. I don't like the heat/sun, so I'm not depriving myself in any way.

But yes -- if one is actually spending time outdoors, wearing shorts, sleeveless tops, etc., exerting themselves, reapplication is mandatory --- regardless the percentage of zinc.

I still am of the belief that higher is better, and I'm not sure I agree with "some is better than nothing". But you get no argument from me on the importance of reapplying. We probably don't apply as much as they recommend to begin with, and if we're sweating or swimming, there goes some of that protection.

Regarding your post to wackers about the prevalance of skin cancer, when I first started researching this it was stated as fact that UVC rays don't penetrate the earth's atmosphere. Then we became aware of, not only more people getting skin cancer, but those who have a lot of natural melanin getting it as well. Previously it was felt they were protected, and incidents weren't common. So I wonder if the atmosphere is STILL keeping out the UVC. We've punched so many "holes" and thinned it so much, it would kind of make sense if it's actually getting through. I recently checked the EPA site and they're still claiming no UVC, but I'm not so sure. (They were telling us a few years ago UVA didn't cause skin cancer -- granted, UVB is more of a culprit, but UVA can do the deed, too.)

When I had melanoma (late 80's) there was no treatment -- you got it all out or you died. Although it was on the public radar, people weren't nearly as aware as they are these days.

[Katluvr58]

My dad was from the generation that barely used anything. He would start the summer with maybe Coppertone if we bugged him and after getting pink he would go to baby oil and iodine. He immediately turned brown although he had freckling/hyperpigmentation on his back and neck. He died at 78 from lung cancer which could have been cigarettes or 30 years working in the automotive factory's or both.

[HappyDaze]

Maren, I don't really like the heat either. I guess when I retire, I am going to be the oddball because I don't want to move to a hot place!

[MarenSeattle]

On 7/22/2014 HappyDaze said:

Maren, I don't really like the heat either. I guess when I retire, I am going to be the oddball because I don't want to move to a hot place!

Haha! Come to Seattle! On Day Two of 80 degrees, we're all asking when the "heat wave" is going to be over! I'm serious. :-)

[myshell624]

Anyone try their skin79 samples yet?

[HappyDaze]

On 7/22/2014 myshell624 said:

Anyone try their skin79 samples yet?

not yet! I've had meetings and outings to go to since I got it and wanted to make sure I didn't have an odd colored face, lol! I will try one of them today since I don't think I have any important meetings or anything to attend. I am going to try the pink one first. Did you get yours yet?? If so, did you try them?

[myshell624]

On 7/22/2014 HappyDaze said:

On 7/22/2014 myshell624 said:

Anyone try their skin79 samples yet?

not yet! I've had meetings and outings to go to since I got it and wanted to make sure I didn't have an odd colored face, lol! I will try one of them today since I don't think I have any important meetings or anything to attend. I am going to try the pink one first. Did you get yours yet?? If so, did you try them?

I got them yesterday but haven't tried them either. I don't think I have anywhere to go tomorrow so I'll probably try one then. I'm like you. I'm afraid the color might be off. Let me know how the pink one is if you try it