Ladies, I have a question about Hair

CLEM · ‎03-09-2010

I hardly ever come here to post because my beauty days are behind me, but I thought this would be the right place to ask.

What is the difference between curls and ringlets?

I have lots of thick hair which has a wave in places also have a number of callics(sp) which all makes my hair a bit hard to manage. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, I had a perm which allowed me to control my hair and still look good.

Now I have decided to get a perm to go back to those days. I know it is not the style, but I myself went out of fashion a while back. As it turned out I got these ringlets and they look okay when my hair stylist does it, but I am not very skilled.

Would she need to use a different product to perm my hair? Hope this all doesn't sound too rediculous.

ALRATIBA · ‎07-15-2016

@CLEM

They are cowlicks. I have wavy hair and cowlicks too! I don't fight them any more. I just use lots of mousse, blow dry and hope for the best.

from Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowlick

A cowlick is a section of hair that stands straight up or lies at an angle at odds with the style in which the rest of an individual's hair is worn. Cowlicks appear when the growth direction of the hair forms in (against) the spiral pattern. The term "cowlick" originates from the domestic bovine's habit of licking its young, which results in a swirling pattern in the hair. The most common site of a human cowlick is in the crown, but they can show up anywhere. They also sometimes appear in the front and back of the head

I am still oxox · ‎03-09-2010

Perm solution has not changed in 50 + years maybe you could find a salon that specializes in curly hair which might help you to be able to work with what you have

Stop being afraid of what could go wrong and start being positive what could go right.

Smushie · ‎02-23-2017

Hi! Hairdresser from the 80's here! I believe what youre looking for is a "spiral perm" The rods are wrapped vertically instead of horizontally to produce the "ringlet" rather than a regular curl. The perm solution is the same with either style, just the way you wrap the hair around the rod is what's different. I will say, if you're looking for someone who knows how to do this, look for someone over 50, like myself. Hope this helps!

CLEM · ‎03-09-2010

@ALRATIBA Thanks! Yes, that's it - cowlicks.

CLEM · ‎03-09-2010

@Smushie wrote:
Hi! Hairdresser from the 80's here! I believe what youre looking for is a "spiral perm" The rods are wrapped vertically instead of horizontally to produce the "ringlet" rather than a regular curl. The perm solution is the same with either style, just the way you wrap the hair around the rod is what's different. I will say, if you're looking for someone who knows how to do this, look for someone over 50, like myself. Hope this helps!

@Smushie Thanks for this information. I think what needs to happen is that the solution needs to be in longer before being washed out because I ended up having hair that looks sort of like sauerkraut. My hair really holds a curl very well so that must be it. My hairdresser is the same I had since the late 80s. I think she was afraid I end up looking like back then, but my hair is quite a bit shorter now.

Smushie · ‎02-23-2017

Hmmm...sounds like the neutralizer didn't get all the way saturated? The timing should always be 30 minutes on for the perm solution, rinse, rinse, rinse, then 5 min of neutralizer to "harden the curl into the new pattern" Could either be a problem with the rod tension (how it's rolled) or making sure the chemical got all the way through the hair on the rod. If you recently had this done again, don't get it done again for at least 3 months. Use some deep conditioner (Wen oil overnight is great) then try again. Quite honestly, if a hair dresser hasn't wrapped a perm in a spiral for awhile, it's kind of hard to get back in the swing of it. For all of us, not trying to insult your hairdresser. May I ask how long your hair is now?

september · ‎03-09-2010

@CLEM Your beauty days are not behind you. We are beautiful at any age. That said, I can't answer your question, but since you said you have thick wavy hair...that's what many of of us would love to have!

jannabelle1 · ‎09-12-2010

This is just my opinion since I've had changes with my hair over the past 10+ years or so. I'm in my late 60s and my hair has changed from straight to curly and frizzy over most of my head (but not all). My point is that it may be wishful thinking to get your hair to react the same and look the same as it was 20 or 30 years ago by getting a perm. If you think that's what will work, then go for it.

Carmie · ‎10-25-2010

@Smushie wrote:
Hmmm...sounds like the neutralizer didn't get all the way saturated? The timing should always be 30 minutes on for the perm solution, rinse, rinse, rinse, then 5 min of neutralizer to "harden the curl into the new pattern" Could either be a problem with the rod tension (how it's rolled) or making sure the chemical got all the way through the hair on the rod. If you recently had this done again, don't get it done again for at least 3 months. Use some deep conditioner (Wen oil overnight is great) then try again. Quite honestly, if a hair dresser hasn't wrapped a perm in a spiral for awhile, it's kind of hard to get back in the swing of it. For all of us, not trying to insult your hairdresser. May I ask how long your hair is now?

Older hairdresser here : Oh goodness, you can't say 30 minutes is the exact time for the perm solution. I always open up the perm rod and look at the hair every five minutes. If someone has fine hair or very curly hair, 30 minutes would be way, way too long.

i 100% agree that the nutrilizer is very important of the perm. The hair must be rinsed really well. Then the hair needs to blotted really well to remove most of the moisture. If the nutrilizer is too watered down by the wet hair, the perm will not produce the right amount of curl and be wimpy looking.

I also think you should have your perm done by an older hairdresser. They know how to correctly wrap and process a perm. If not done right your hair could end up dry and frizzy with fish hook ends.