Beauty

[Crisso]

On 2/18/2015 Crisso said:

On 2/18/2015 Harpa said:

On 2/18/2015 Crisso said:

On 2/18/2015 Harpa said:

On 2/18/2015 Crisso said:

OP - easy answer is thinnist to thickest. But I cocktail them.

That may be the easiest answer, but again, peptides, since they are the cell communicators, would seem to me, that they should go on first. However, I do not know what ingredients are in everything that OP is using.

Usually peptide serums are the thinnest or watery anyway in order to penetrate as deeply as possible.

If you do not apply by ingredient, then you may not be getting the full benefit (inasmuch as possible) from that ingredient. I should also think that your order of application would be on what skin issue you are addressing, hence any serum or product you are using.

Hopefully, you are not using all those things because someone else said you needed them. But there really is a reason for everything you use.

I use Hydroshield because it has worked really well for me. This winter I have been mixing it with Dr. Gross' clinical concentrate hydration booster (I have been thinking of replacing that with hyaluronic acid if I can find a cheaper price). Usually, I mix it with Paula's Choice Resist super antioxidant concentrate serum. It appears to be working. I think the magic of peptides has been overrated.

Crisso, you might be surprised to know that there are a lot of natural ingredients that have peptides in them. It is only recently that the synthetics have taken over the skincare world.

I agree entirely with you. I was referring to all the skincare companies that hype the value of peptides as being the new must-haves. Lots of natural ingredients are benign and add very little value, however

Edited to add that what I mean by the last line is just because it is a natural ingredient, it doesn't mean it does much.

I re-read this thread today and realized how inarticulate this was to convey what I was trying to get at! I have been reading lots lately about liability of cosmetic companies' advertising and marketing (yep, I am a lawyer, so I do read this kind of thing on my spare time. ). In the last few years much of the marketing has been to emphasize the almost miraculous effects of peptides as contained in their cosmetic products. Scientific studies are flagged to show how peptides work as cell communicators, which are very impressive, and that their product is full of these peptides, but the link between the more generic research and the effectiveness of a particular product is all but missing.

So my understanding from this and where we are now and where we can be in the peptides research department and ensuing breakthroughs is promising but not quite there yet in products in actual fact currently being sold.

[Annabellethecat66]

Ditto Turtle. I buy it for myself and my adult daughter. Every night I wash my face with water and a micro washrag. Then I use Dr. Denese Firming Facial pads, after that I use the Hydroshield.

If the sun is coming out I use the sunscreen and sometimes the neck cream. I have most of her products because they come in the kit but I don't use them much.

I ALWAYS use the facial pads and the Hydroshield.

When I visited my daughter (she's 34) in Denver in May, she said she'd been to the Dermatologist and the Dr'd said she needed to get a skin care routine because in the 2 years since she'd arrived because it is so sunny (300 days) and so high it is terrible on the skin and she'd noticed problems cropping up with her.

I started her on Dr. Denese products. She recently went to the Dermatologist and the Dr said to keep it up that there'd been a good improvement and it looked really good.

Thank you Hydroshield!

[Harpa]

On 2/21/2015 Crisso said:

On 2/18/2015 Crisso said:

On 2/18/2015 Harpa said:

On 2/18/2015 Crisso said:

On 2/18/2015 Harpa said:

On 2/18/2015 Crisso said:

OP - easy answer is thinnist to thickest. But I cocktail them.

That may be the easiest answer, but again, peptides, since they are the cell communicators, would seem to me, that they should go on first. However, I do not know what ingredients are in everything that OP is using.

Usually peptide serums are the thinnest or watery anyway in order to penetrate as deeply as possible.

If you do not apply by ingredient, then you may not be getting the full benefit (inasmuch as possible) from that ingredient. I should also think that your order of application would be on what skin issue you are addressing, hence any serum or product you are using.

Hopefully, you are not using all those things because someone else said you needed them. But there really is a reason for everything you use.

I use Hydroshield because it has worked really well for me. This winter I have been mixing it with Dr. Gross' clinical concentrate hydration booster (I have been thinking of replacing that with hyaluronic acid if I can find a cheaper price). Usually, I mix it with Paula's Choice Resist super antioxidant concentrate serum. It appears to be working. I think the magic of peptides has been overrated.

Crisso, you might be surprised to know that there are a lot of natural ingredients that have peptides in them. It is only recently that the synthetics have taken over the skincare world.

I agree entirely with you. I was referring to all the skincare companies that hype the value of peptides as being the new must-haves. Lots of natural ingredients are benign and add very little value, however

Edited to add that what I mean by the last line is just because it is a natural ingredient, it doesn't mean it does much.

I re-read this thread today and realized how inarticulate this was to convey what I was trying to get at! I have been reading lots lately about liability of cosmetic companies' advertising and marketing (yep, I am a lawyer, so I do read this kind of thing on my spare time. ). In the last few years much of the marketing has been to emphasize the almost miraculous effects of peptides as contained in their cosmetic products. Scientific studies are flagged to show how peptides work as cell communicators, which are very impressive, and that their product is full of these peptides, but the link between the more generic research and the effectiveness of a particular product is all but missing.

So my understanding from this and where we are now and where we can be in the peptides research department and ensuing breakthroughs is promising but not quite there yet in products in actual fact currently being sold.

Crisso, thanks for following up! I know what you mean about the link! And I wouldn't know where to begin a (actually, another) BB discussion about "studies." So, I'll just keep mum.

I was also intrigued (when I first read your statement) about many natural ingredients being benign. I was curious if you had any specific example/s in mind.

Anyway, I wanted to acknowledge what you wrote!