Beauty

[feline groovy]

On 12/9/2014 sfnative said:

From OP:

Please read the entry above. Thank you so very much for all of your kind thought and input.

~R

Thanks for your thanks and nice words, R.

[151949]

On 12/11/2014 Wadzlla said:

White hair labels you as being over 50. Women who wear their hair white are comfortable with ageing, and I respect that.

Many women who are in the business world have to look younger. It is competitive out there.

Some people go grey way earlier than 50 - I had chemo when I was 34 and when my hair grew back it was predominantly white. It was also very fragile and no way on this earth I was putting it through dying it.

At 65 and retired who cares if people think or know I am over 50 or 60. I would assume they think that anyway since I am retired.

As for people "needing" to look younger to compete in the business world - it seems to me that competence at your job is way more important than hair color in the work world. When someone is hiring a person for a job they care about results - and , honestly, don't you realize that anyone who looks at you can tell you have dyed hair ? Do you really think that is fooling anyone into thinking you are younger?

[maryebrown_1]

On 12/12/2014 happy housewife said:

On 12/11/2014 Wadzlla said:

White hair labels you as being over 50. Women who wear their hair white are comfortable with ageing, and I respect that.

Many women who are in the business world have to look younger. It is competitive out there.

Some people go grey way earlier than 50 - I had chemo when I was 34 and when my hair grew back it was predominantly white. It was also very fragile and no way on this earth I was putting it through dying it.

At 65 and retired who cares if people think or know I am over 50 or 60. I would assume they think that anyway since I am retired.

As for people "needing" to look younger to compete in the business world - it seems to me that competence at your job is way more important than hair color in the work world. When someone is hiring a person for a job they care about results - and , honestly, don't you realize that anyone who looks at you can tell you have dyed hair ? Do you really think that is fooling anyone into thinking you are younger?

HH, YOU never "competed in the business world"! You were a nurse and that profession is more about one's education and experience than one's physical appearance (which IS an important factor of landing a job in the business world)...For every job, there are 200 people applying for it and the competition is fierce -- ageism is rampant so it's important for the applicant to feel confident with their appearance so their people person skills can shine during the interview process! Whether it's dying one's hair, or cosmetic surgery, it's everybody's right to do what they need to do and Wadzlla is correct with her statement.

[maryebrown_1]

On 12/11/2014 HisElk said:

On 12/11/2014 MJ 12 said:

On 12/11/2014 Margo Channing said:

On 12/11/2014 happy housewife said:

I feel sorry for women who are aging and are not able to accept it. They are going to spend the rest of their lives OBSESSED with their aging and trying to hide it from everyone else. One really good side effect of winning the cancer battle twice is I am just happy to be alive and reasonably healthy - and if my getting older offends anyone - they should get the heck away from me. Fortunately, when you live in Florida almost everyone is a senior citizen so you feel more accepted here than places where there are many more young people.

And I feel sorry for women who feel the need to judge other women for the choices they make. You don't color your hair? Fabulous. Don't judge those who do. You don't want to look fashionable and stylish? Great! There are women who can afford to and keep up with fashion BECAUSE THEY ENJOY IT. Not everyone is on a limited or fixed income. You post a lot of derogatory comments about women' choices when they don't agree with your own. Your bitterness comes thru loud and clear. I would think you would be so happy to be alive you would develop a live and let live philosophy. May the coming new year bring you health and happiness.

the whole thing.

Well, I've been told she has me on ignore; whatever. However, I recall her thread about getting tattooed eyebrows. I guess that doesn't count or maybe it's in a different "category" in her view LOL.

Waving to MJ 12 !

Thanks, HisElk, for pointing out Happy's flawed arguments.

[151949]

On 12/12/2014 maryebrown said:

On 12/12/2014 happy housewife said:

On 12/11/2014 Wadzlla said:

White hair labels you as being over 50. Women who wear their hair white are comfortable with ageing, and I respect that.

Many women who are in the business world have to look younger. It is competitive out there.

Some people go grey way earlier than 50 - I had chemo when I was 34 and when my hair grew back it was predominantly white. It was also very fragile and no way on this earth I was putting it through dying it.

At 65 and retired who cares if people think or know I am over 50 or 60. I would assume they think that anyway since I am retired.

As for people "needing" to look younger to compete in the business world - it seems to me that competence at your job is way more important than hair color in the work world. When someone is hiring a person for a job they care about results - and , honestly, don't you realize that anyone who looks at you can tell you have dyed hair ? Do you really think that is fooling anyone into thinking you are younger?

HH, YOU never "competed in the business world"! You were a nurse and that profession is more about one's education and experience than one's physical appearance (which IS an important factor of landing a job in the business world)...For every job, there are 200 people applying for it and the competition is fierce -- ageism is rampant so it's important for the applicant to feel confident with their appearance so their people person skills can shine during the interview process! Whether it's dying one's hair, or cosmetic surgery, it's everybody's right to do what they need to do and Wadzlla is correct with her statement.

My DH was in sales and he was very successful - he said I should tell you that a good salesperson , who knows their product in side out and backward will go way further than anyone trying to use physical attributes instead of knowledge. He feels that unless you are selling hair dye - it is not a contributing factor to success in the business world.

[sfnative]

Happy Housewife,

I decided not to read your entry because so many of them are toxic an I'm simply not in the mood for that today after an 8 hour storm-related power outage, a snippy husband and a doctor's office who cannot seem to get my appoointment time correct for a biopsy.

Was glad to hear that you beat CA twice. You're very fortunate. I'm passing along some sunshine to you (the psych kind).

[sfnative]

On 12/11/2014 Wadzlla said:

I was a hairdresser for 35 years. Right now I am a redhead. I was a champagne blonde all summer. I am planning on going platinum blonde next summer to get an idea of how silver would look. We live in a summer resort area, so I don't worry about being conventional.

What fun!

May I ask what OTC hair color brand you could recomment? My white hair is quite porous, said my stylist where I used to live, and loses color quickly (easy fade). Thanks!

[Sooner]

I am certainly not ashamed of being old. I am old and happy to be there!

That being said, I want to look good, so my hair is certainly colored and has a good cut. If you are old and trying to look too "young" you usually come off as being senile. On the other hand you see old people who have just given up and go around sloppy and not well groomed for no reason other than they don't care any more--not health or other understandable reasons, just because they don't care.

My husband also thinks there is an element of thumbing your nose at others and making they KNOW you don't care what they think, and I think for many that's a valid observation as well.

And yes, lots of people look good because they have a job where it makes a difference. The flip side of that is if they didn't already care about their looks, they wouldn't have gotten or kept the job in the first place.

Different strokes for different folks. Some people have beautiful gray hair and wear it well, some don't. It isn't simply whether it is gray or not that has bearing on what I'm talking about for older people.

[NAL35]

If you do decide to color, look at eSalon.com They ask you a series of questions and most importantly, you upload a most recent picture of yourself (don't skip the step involving uploading a recent picture). There is a section at the end of the process where you can add your own message to the colorist. They will suggest a color for you based on your responses to the question and photo and provide detailed instructions as to product application. I found it to be much better than trying to figure out what color would be best for me at this point in my life. My hair, as well, is totally white and I kept it white for quite sometime. Color took about 10-15 years off my appearance. You can cancel at any time and provide feedback as to how the color is working for you and if you would like any changes. Good luck.

[sfnative]

On 12/11/2014 hyacinth003 said:

I think some women look great with white hair.

MOST women with white hair LOOK older to me. It may be as simple as that color washes you out. It would wash me out a lot.

I allowed about an inch of roots. I HATED it around my face. I am very fair, and I looked so washed out and older.

So, it may be more about the combination with skin tone than anything else. Not for me yet!

Hyacinth

hyacinth,

You're right: this white hair of mine does wash out my face. And taking a look at these recent photos, the bangs I wear because I have a high forehead and widow's peaks are getting lost. Thanks for bringing this dynamic into the conversation. Clearly, I need color up there.