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Re: This is a concern to me

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@bunnygirlbrem 

 

You are a doctor, would that be a Medical doctor or? I'll go along with the premise that you have an MD beside your name. I have 2 doctors in my immediate family, along with several friends that are doctors. Of those, 3 of them are specialists in their fields.

 

Then I have my own doctors: My General Practitioner/ Pulmonologist/Cardiologist/Gastroenterologist/Hematologist/General Surgeon/Podiatrist, so I am pretty well covered in that respect.

 

What I have been asking is this. I get that to retain body heat in subzero weather, it is better accomplished by wearing layer upon layer of clothing. Many believe it's more effective to wear 1 heavy coat. 

 

So using the above if everyone wore 2 masks, maybe even 3 or 4. And you are wearing, say 2, I would be spewing fewer of these "oft mentioned droplets" into our already contaminated(say some) atmosphere, thus this will lower the risk for you and others of contracting the Wuhan Virus? 

 

That now being the accepted standard, by some "expert's" anyway, I am to believe that because? I have yet to see any "true representation of actual droplets through any source, or what method they use to measure time and distance. 

 

Thus I see these as arbitrary numbers from many sources, but not 1 showing a visual. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Auto Engineers and Race Engine builders are able to show airflow over/under/side and rear of cars. The builders have machines to measure accurately their ttue horsepower. No guessing, factual/visible numbers.

 

So why nothing like this in the field you have chosen as your profession?

 

 

 

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Sometimes you don't need study after study and cement proof that something is a good idea to do, in order to do it.   It just seems to make sense.  

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@hckynut wrote:

@bunnygirlbrem 

 

You are a doctor, would that be a Medical doctor or? I'll go along with the premise that you have an MD beside your name. I have 2 doctors in my immediate family, along with several friends that are doctors. Of those, 3 of them are specialists in their fields.

 

Then I have my own doctors: My General Practitioner/ Pulmonologist/Cardiologist/Gastroenterologist/Hematologist/General Surgeon/Podiatrist, so I am pretty well covered in that respect.

 

What I have been asking is this. I get that to retain body heat in subzero weather, it is better accomplished by wearing layer upon layer of clothing. Many believe it's more effective to wear 1 heavy coat. 

 

So using the above if everyone wore 2 masks, maybe even 3 or 4. And you are wearing, say 2, I would be spewing fewer of these "oft mentioned droplets" into our already contaminated(say some) atmosphere, thus this will lower the risk for you and others of contracting the Wuhan Virus? 

 

That now being the accepted standard, by some "expert's" anyway, I am to believe that because? I have yet to see any "true representation of actual droplets through any source, or what method they use to measure time and distance. 

 

Thus I see these as arbitrary numbers from many sources, but not 1 showing a visual. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Auto Engineers and Race Engine builders are able to show airflow over/under/side and rear of cars. The builders have machines to measure accurately their ttue horsepower. No guessing, factual/visible numbers.

 

So why nothing like this in the field you have chosen as your profession?

 

 

 

hckynut


@hckynut, are you suggesting that because you haven't seen a representation of the virus droplets nor understand how they measure them, experts in the field are just winging it? I seriously doubt it.

 

I also don't understand your snide implication that @bunnygirlbrem can't compete with the fact that you have doctors in your family and doctors that treat you.


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The Journal of the American Medical Assn did testing and found that droplets from sneezing, coughing or speaking can travel further than 26 feet.  There's a video where you can see the results.  National Geographic also has one but you have to sign up on their website to see it. 

 

This is a link to USA Today where they have the article and video. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/03/coronavirus-protection-how-masks-might-stop-spread... 

 

If you don't want to click on the link, the title of the article is:   

Coronavirus might spread much farther than 6 feet in the air. CDC says wear a mask in public.

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@suzyQ3 

 

First. Yes I am saying that, not implying, actually saying it. Experts in the field ,these days, is a pretty broad statement.

 

As for your 2nd comment being snide! @bunnygirlbrem competing with my doctors? Don't recall saying or implying it was a competition, but! 

 

Since you mentioned it. Yes I prefer seeing my doctors because they know me and my whole medical history. Competition no, they have already won.

 

 

 

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For those who are interested--there are oodles of mask studies at nih.gov.

 

 

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Re: This is a concern to me

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@cotton4me wrote:

The Journal of the American Medical Assn did testing and found that droplets from sneezing, coughing or speaking can travel further than 26 feet.  There's a video where you can see the results.  National Geographic also has one but you have to sign up on their website to see it. 

 

This is a link to USA Today where they have the article and video. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/03/coronavirus-protection-how-masks-might-stop-spread... 

 

If you don't want to click on the link, the title of the article is:   

Coronavirus might spread much farther than 6 feet in the air. CDC says wear a mask in public.


@hckynut 

 

See quoted above for a couple of ideas of the kinds of "representations" you are curious about. There are plenty of studies that show actual numbers about how far virus droplets spread and actual numbers of other things you mentioned if you simply search for them. PubMed is a great source, but general-public articles abound nowadays. ETA: Also see NIH as @KarenQVC suggested above.

 

You asked a question, and I answered it. I based it on both general medical and infectious-disease experience I have as a veterinarian. (Note that both general medical and infectious-disease information are almost identical in both human and animal medicine, so a DVM is just as qualified to answer your question as an MD -- if not more so, since I treat many different species!) I am not looking to change your mind (as it seems yours is made up); I simply answered your question.

 

ETA: You could always ask your doctor friends and family members to explain this concept to you and show you the "representations" you seek.

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It concerns me that some thoroughly foxy people don't seek out original sources.

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

@Shanus wrote:

@ccassaday   If you are personally wearing a mask, the way I've understood it, it's not protecting you from droplets expelled by others NOT wearing a mask. The mask only protects others, not you. 


No one has ever explained why my mask will stop these "droplets" yet yours will not.  Something to think about.....


Hope this will help: A mask helps stop your droplets released when you breathe, speak, cough, etc. from spreading to someone else because the mask is covering your mouth and nose. However, if someone is not wearing a mask and releases droplets, those droplets can enter your eyes, which are not covered with a mask. So even if you are wearing a mask, that person not wearing one can infect you via your eyes. That is why a mask protects others, not you.

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I had a plumber out last month. He was wearing a mask and gloves. When I signed the credit card sheet, he had me use my own pen. I thought it all worked out well. He is my regular plumber.