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Venezia · ‎03-09-2010

@Sooner wrote:
@willowbark wrote:
All that talk abut their frontal lobe not being developed when they committed the crime.

@willowbark It won't ever develop if people don't expect much of kids! I don't understand the concept of kids that age brains aren't developed. Mostly 'cause they don't have to.

@Sooner - I'm tired of hearing the argument "experts" use to excuse away criminal behavior based on someone's age.

I knew from a very early age, right from wrong. I knew that killing someone was wrong. I knew that violently harming someone was wrong. I knew stealing and a whole other myriad of malicious behavior was wrong.

I didn't need to reach the age of 21 or 25 for my "frontal lobe" to be "fully developed". Without getting religious, 12 is considered the "age of understanding". And I knew before then!

These guys were what? 21 and 19? They knew exactly what they were doing.

An interesting bit written about them back then:

"Following the murders, Lyle and Erik claimed that unknown intruders were responsible for the murders, framing it as a potential mob killing. Police initially investigated this claim, but grew suspicious due to the brothers' spending and their hiring of a computer expert to delete their father's recently updated will. Erik confessed to the murders in sessions with his psychologist, citing a desire to be free of a controlling father with high standards, which led to their arrests months later."

So, they claimed it was a mob hit? Then they knew enough to hire a computer expert to delete their father's updated will? Yeah, sure, they were just "kids" trying to escape an abusive situation. And they went on a huge spending spree after? Not buying it.

"" A little learning is a dangerous thing."-Alexander Pope

Lakelife62 · ‎05-09-2023

The people who have gone to school to study the brain and made a career out of neuroscience and research don't care about opinions.

I'll stick with the experts. Not to absolve criminal behavior, but to understand it better.

shoekitty · ‎03-10-2010

I don't think many experts are trying to excuse some behavior.... like the behavior is okay, because they are young. I think the experts are explaining some behavior biologically, and psychologically. Teens don't have adult brain function to think things out rationally. Like consequences. I agree there. They think their infallible. One can take this into account. But, in my thinking, lol as an adult hopefully, we take in the whole picture ....every step of their plan/deed into account. These boys were 18, and 21. Not tweeties, or even 16 or 17. These were well educated, privlideged boys. They were well exposed to life and how things work. They may have been abused, and in need of psychological therapy and help. But aware of the law. They weren't insane when they murdered their parents

they hatched an intricate plan

they attained weapons

they over killed, the mother too because she was there

they made sure they were dead

they didn't call for help to revive

there wasn't regret, or remorse

they felt justified

then, they lied and they lied and lied to cover the crime

they spent the parents money on a spree

they have never taken responsibility totally for what they did

even now, as adults in prison Eric hasn't changed much of his entitled behavior, or scheming.

there has to be some line , statute ,the law goes by. It's the same for insanity charges. I have thought many times in murder cases the person had to be insane, but the law has certain statues they go by for that defense. And, it is so different in every state. In California they have to understand right from wrong at the time of the crime. When the boys murdered their parents, they ran, then they lied about it.it was premeditated. They admitted they knew what they did.

im my opinion, they are right where they should be, and where the law, and a jury of 12 has put them. If they want to plead they were abused and too young...then you better open the flood gates. Because I am just guessing, but I would venture to guess over half the men and women in prison now with violent murders ...were abused, needy, children as well. They all should qualify for parole or release? I don't think so. In fact, if this had happened in another state than CA, with death penalty ...they would be gone by now. One state I read not too long ago executed a young man who murdered when he was 14. Now that is young

“sometimes you have to bite your upper lip and put sunglasses on”….Bob Dylan

bikerbabe · ‎03-09-2010

Both can be true.

It was an abusive, dysfunctional family.

They shouldn’t be paroled.

shoekitty · ‎03-10-2010

@bikerbabe wrote:
Both can be true.

It was an abusive, dysfunctional family.

They shouldn’t be paroled.

@bikerbabe absoulutley!!!!

“sometimes you have to bite your upper lip and put sunglasses on”….Bob Dylan

vegan4ever · ‎06-23-2025

Both continued criminal violations in prison. Both denied parole. Thankfully!

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

You will never ever in this world make me believe that teens can't/don't/won't act as adults if they are asked to.

I have myself and known other teens as responsible as adults because for one reason or another they were asked to be or had to be. Whether raising siblings, working and supporting their family or whatever. Kids aren't asked to step up? they usually don't/won't. Kids have to be adults? Fully capable.