02-18-2022 04:25 PM
@Love my grandkids Your 1969 hospital and doctor bills were 10% of what I earned that year, so I probably would not have thought it was inexpensive, but It sure does sound that way compared to today's costs, doesn't it?
02-18-2022 05:32 PM
@BlueFinch It doesn't make it fair in any sense. Sure it's reality, but I'm fed up with exorbitant bills so that I have to take away from myself and my own family. It's outrageous and something needs to be done about it. What's your suggestion? I'd like to hear a solution.
02-18-2022 06:37 PM - edited 02-18-2022 06:48 PM
The very high salaries and "bonuses" of top management in profit-driven health insurance companies and hospitals are a big part of the high costs of health insurance premiums and medical care.
There should be a choice for consumers to buy insurance and go to hospitals that pay what I consider more reasonable salaries. Some health insurance companies and hospitals could be run more like a credit union (no frills, but good salaries and benefits for their employees and excellent service for their clients) instead of run like over-the-top "swanky" banks.
If you think Health Insurance CEO's and Hospital Directors deserve multi-million dollar annual salaries and bonuses, then spend your money there. (BTW, their bonuses are based on saving the company money. How do they do that? By not covering the service and/or denying payments.) But currently, we have no choice and we are forced to buy from them.
Give the consumers more options!
02-18-2022 07:10 PM
My neighbor is an RN.
Her unit at the hospital "lost" (can't account for) $1M in a single quarter in their last audit. That was just 1 calendar quarter.
And don't forget, when everyone has mandated coverage then it'll be affordable for all!.
02-18-2022 08:36 PM
Yes, let's pick on the people who can't pay. My heart bleeds for you who think you have higher insurance rates. Back to the crappy Olympics, that post really put me into a bad mood.
02-19-2022 08:50 AM
I'm very familiar with that scenario. I work for one world famous teaching hospital, I'm a health information specialist and a certified coder. I see bills, I see our chargemasters. We do a lot of cardiac ablation procedures and while they are my thousands. they are not that expensive. Although, every case is different. In my state, patients have the right to request a bill audit and someone like me goes through the medical record to just every charge. Medicare and insurers also do random bill audits because errors do happen. Insurers aren't billed the actual charges, they are billed the allowable charge. So many people do have crappy insurance and they don't know it until the bills start coming in. The saddest case I ever had wax a young dad whose child had been hospitalized for months. Great clinical outcome. The bill was a couple of million $$. His insurer had already asked for a discount on the bill and it was granted. We took $30% off. The insurer paid promptly. Then the dad got bills for tens of thousands of dollars. And the bills kept coming and coming. Of course he was rude, nasty and blamed the hospital and the doctors for trying to cheat him. People always do that. They love their insurers but hate the providers who heal them and save their lives. My boss dumped it on me. This guy was self employed, he bought his own health insurance. He didn't know what he was getting, he only cared that the premium was affordable. His plan covered "radiology" meaning x-rays but it did not cover CT scans, mri's, nuclear medicine tests, cardiac imaging etc. It did not cover any of the modern technology that is commonplace. It also did not cover the the lab work that went out to specialized labs outside of our facility. So the father was responsible for his copay and deductibles and all of the non covered charges. It took me a long time to calm him and to explain it to him. Since we had already discounted the bill by 30%, we could not grant anymore discounts. We could not write off his balance because he was not low income. He was from out of state so our state catastrophic illness program could not help him with those charges. The case went all the way up to the president of the hospital, he said we couldn't discount more than the 30%. I did find some errors that I took off the bill but not enough to matter with charges like that. The father was given a long payment plan. I wasn't involved with that, legal took care of that but director thought it was a 7 year payment plan. The irony is, this was a critically ill child, transferred from an out of state hospital. We were one of a handful of hospitals capable of saving that child. If the family had NO health insurance or Medicaid from their own state, my hospital would not have charged the family anything. Nothing. By state regulation, if a patient is covered by insurance, we have to bill the insurer first and follow the path we took. That was the case I'll never forget. It could have been worse. We are a huge, rich hospital we routinely grant discounts although rarely 30%. We also accept payment plans for patient balances. Smaller, cash strapped hospitals can't do those things. They just don't have the money.
02-19-2022 09:09 AM - edited 02-19-2022 09:10 AM
Well, maybe those people who can't pay should put off going to the doctor. When I was unemployed in 2014, I cancelled my annual appointment until I got another job. The only way I would have gone to the doctor when unemployed is if I would have had something so bad it couldn't wait.
At my job processing EOB payments, as well as patient invoices, I see letters sent in saying "thank you for the excellent care, but I can't pay you!!!"
In addition we receive undeliverable mail sent to "self pay" patients with the yellow sticker on it from the post office. We get THOUSANDS of those a day, too. Basically they all got their free medical care since they move and leave no forwarding addresses.
02-19-2022 09:52 AM
Chrystaltree, thank you for taking the time to write this detailed story of someone who just plain fell through the cracks. My daughter has a friend who used to work in collections for a major hospital chain. He finally left, totally fed up with what he had to do to uninsured families. No forwarding address was no roadblock, it was his job to find these people and sue them. I once was self employed and had no insurance. There was no Obamacare back then. So when it came time that I needed a pacemaker, I took out a loan at 14% to cover the $15,000 charge. There is no negotiating price with private pay patients. A few years later I remarried, then eventually fell into Medicare with a secondary policy that we pay. I never have to worry about a thing, any bills we receive are incidental. At times I think we get too much care, but we listen to our physicians.
02-19-2022 11:55 AM
@Hmmmmm24 wrote:Well, maybe those people who can't pay should put off going to the doctor. When I was unemployed in 2014, I cancelled my annual appointment until I got another job. The only way I would have gone to the doctor when unemployed is if I would have had something so bad it couldn't wait.
At my job processing EOB payments, as well as patient invoices, I see letters sent in saying "thank you for the excellent care, but I can't pay you!!!"
In addition we receive undeliverable mail sent to "self pay" patients with the yellow sticker on it from the post office. We get THOUSANDS of those a day, too. Basically they all got their free medical care since they move and leave no forwarding addresses.
@Hmmmmm24 are you suggesting that the poor should not seek medical care and simply let their health issues run their course to the end of life? Who should be put in charge of deciding between life and death of the poor? As it is now, the multibillionaire insurance companies are making that choice to their own benefit.
02-19-2022 12:11 PM
@Hmmmmm24 wrote:And there are still plenty of people who don't have insurance at all. I thought that was against the law, but I guess no one cares about going after them.
I work at a company that processes medical payments. Many who don't have insurance or don't have enough coverage get charity care. Even for those amounts. I think it's ridiculous and the rest of us who have good insurance are paying higher rates to make up for those who can't pay.
@Hmmmmm24 - It was a requirement under the AHCA, until it was opposed by certain factions and was struck down by the Supreme Court, as being illegal to require everyone to have health insurance.
Not trying to make any political statements here; just giving the facts. Inidividuals are no longer required to have health insurance.