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Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:00:15 GMT

It has been my understanding as well as others that there are two absolute no-nos on the QVC forums - politics and religion. Yet moderators, while they zap most political threads and posts very quickly, rarely if ever delete religious proselytizing and sermonizing posts in threads where they are off-topic.

It has been suggested by posters that anyone who doesn't want to be subjected to proselytizing and sermonizing should avoid Among Friends (where moderators currently "suggest" that such threads and posts go) altogether. Since religion is a topic that QVC has said is off-limits as much as politics, this does not appear to be in line with fairness.

I hope that QVC and the @Community_Team give serious consideration to a Forum of Faith, where such posts will be expected and welcome - and that posts which are made elsewhere on the forums, where they are off-topic, be removed or moved.

I do not mean to suggest that any and all posts that mention religious beliefs fall into this category. But some posters are so...enthusiastic...that they will never care that a line has been crossed as far as appropriateness within a thread. And to this point, moderators have let every such post stand.

I should think that a Forum of Faith would be welcomed. A place where those interested would be welcome, and simple to pass by for those not interested.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Mona_L — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:54:59 GMT

Moony, @Moonchilde

Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

1jenniferjuniper — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:41:48 GMT

@Mona_L wrote:
Moony, @Moonchilde
Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?

Some people are so intolerant of others. If you don't like religious topics don't read them. Simple solution.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

gardensla — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:44:17 GMT

@1jenniferjuniper wrote:
@Mona_L wrote:
Moony, @Moonchilde
Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?
Some people are so intolerant of others. If you don't like religious topics don't read them. Simple solution.

I think what she was saying is that if topics about religion are going to be allowed here, those who wish to post about this should have a place where they don't have to parse their words or where they might come under attack. I thought she had a good idea that was more about empathy than intolerance.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

June222 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:25:38 GMT

If there is to be a faith forum then there should also be a political forum

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 22:02:37 GMT

@gardensla wrote:
@1jenniferjuniper wrote:
@Mona_L wrote:
Moony, @Moonchilde
Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?
Some people are so intolerant of others. If you don't like religious topics don't read them. Simple solution.

I think what she was saying is that if topics about religion are going to be allowed here, those who wish to post about this should have a place where they don't have to parse their words or where they might come under attack. I thought she had a good idea that was more about empathy than intolerance.

Thank you, @gardensla.

I expected the snarky, baiting posts, and got them of course. But I'm glad someone else gets it.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 22:04:42 GMT

@june22 wrote:
If there is to be a faith forum then there should also be a political forum

Fair enough. I wouldn't be visiting, but it would be fair to have one - with caveats that participation might get rough.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

VaBelle35 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:50:57 GMT

FTR, I am for both a faith and politics forum.

However, what I am not in favor of, is a "safe haven" faith or politics forum where no one can post something that isn't in line with what the majority believe.

And I feel this way about ALL the forums. I don't think the Linea forum should be only for "fangirls" of Linea. A fantasy land where no one dare speak ill of The Designer.

BUT, if we're going to make these thread (politics and faith) "safe havens," then we need to make all of the "Brand" threads safe havens as well.

Meaning, only nice posts allowed.

However, I don't think the moderators have enough time to police those thread (or enough chocolate chip cookies; o)

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Group 5 minus 1 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:13:01 GMT

Not a good idea.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

chickenbutt — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:19:46 GMT

ncascade wrote:
Not a good idea.

ITA. This doesn't even make sense. They specifically don't want religious or political discussions here for so many reasons.

I'm absolutely certain that there are MANY religious boards out there in internetland. This is a retailer's board and it has no place here.

Those of us who have been here over 10 years remember the political/current events forum they once had. It was pretty messed up, of course and as usual, due to a few bad apples. There are even more bad apples now and nobody wants to be preached at.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Tinkrbl44 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:40:03 GMT

@june22 wrote:
If there is to be a faith forum then there should also be a political forum

I wholeheartedly agree ...... I was really shocked to see that QVC actually ALLOWS all the religious threads ..... in spite of their protests to the contrary, and excessive poofing!

Either QVC needs to disallow ALL religious threads .... or institute a place where posters can discuss politics.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:47:47 GMT

@chickenbutt wrote:
@ncascade wrote:
Not a good idea.

ITA. This doesn't even make sense. They specifically don't want religious or political discussions here for so many reasons.

I'm absolutely certain that there are MANY religious boards out there in internetland. This is a retailer's board and it has no place here.

Those of us who have been here over 10 years remember the political/current events forum they once had. It was pretty messed up, of course and as usual, due to a few bad apples. There are even more bad apples now and nobody wants to be preached at.

ITA with all you have said - BUT QVC has chosen to wholesale ignore their own prohibition on religion/religious posts, and seems happy to have them, unlike posts and threads on politics.

"Nobody wants to be preached at."

QVC apparently believe that "everyone" DOES want to be preached at, judging by their total acceptance of proselytizing and sermonizing posts. (Yet again I reiterate - it is ONLY the OTT don't-know-when-to-quit posters I refer to, definitely NOT all religious reference or discussion.)

And all of that being so, if QVC is actively happy to have religious discussion (while at the same time stating it shouldn't even be here), then providing a forum for it would do two things - stop QVC's hypocrisy on the issue, and provide a place for such posts so that those who wanted to could avoid them - and have such posts moved or deleted from other areas where they are off-topic.

But in the end, I believe that above all, QVC wishes to coddle and protect one belief system/religion above all others for the sake of revenue. They are marketing to that and will continue to shield it, specifically.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:52:57 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@june22 wrote:
If there is to be a faith forum then there should also be a political forum

I wholeheartedly agree ...... I was really shocked to see that QVC actually ALLOWS all the religious threads ..... in spite of their protests to the contrary, and excessive poofing!

Either QVC needs to disallow ALL religious threads .... or institute a place where posters can discuss politics.

But as it stands now, religious proselytizing (different than mention of/discussion of belief) is okay with QVC WHEREVER it occurs, and politics is verboten ANYWHERE it occurs. So if they create a politics forum and politics are to be discussed ONLY there, the same should go for religion - to be discussed *within the forum* and not in threads where it is off topic.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

goldensrbest — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:02:11 GMT

When you took out all the posts from the orginal thread,you took out some very important posts, i feel this was wrong.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

chickenbutt — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:05:02 GMT

Hi Moonchilde!

Yeah, you are totally right that it DOES need to go one way or the other. These are areas where there is no grey area. Either have forums for the two subjects or make them 100% verboten.

Obviously, I think they need to go with verboten because there are just too many problems here to be able to have grown up discussions. That's a shame, but I guess there is no denying that that is the way it is unless they decide to ban posters who cause trouble. I don't see that happening any time soon either.

I also agree that there is one religious POV that seems to be the 'accepted' one and, well, *sigh* that's just wrong. I'm non-religious so I see a broad POV on all of it. Again - all or nothing.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Tinkrbl44 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:39:35 GMT

@1jenniferjuniper wrote:
@Mona_L wrote:
Moony, @Moonchilde
Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?
Some people are so intolerant of others. If you don't like religious topics don't read them. Simple solution.

You're missing the point here ...... do you like it when people following some other religion preach at you? Probably not, because it's VERY annoying. No one is even suggesting cramping your style .... just take it elsewhere.

There are MANY religions in the world, and, worldwide, Christianity is a minority relgion .... only approximately 30% of the world population. That means 70% of the world population believes something else.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:55:20 GMT

@chickenbutt wrote:
Hi Moonchilde!

Yeah, you are totally right that it DOES need to go one way or the other. These are areas where there is no grey area. Either have forums for the two subjects or make them 100% verboten.

Obviously, I think they need to go with verboten because there are just too many problems here to be able to have grown up discussions. That's a shame, but I guess there is no denying that that is the way it is unless they decide to ban posters who cause trouble. I don't see that happening any time soon either.

I also agree that there is one religious POV that seems to be the 'accepted' one and, well, *sigh* that's just wrong. I'm non-religious so I see a broad POV on all of it. Again - all or nothing.

Thank you for your post, CB.

I know that it's easy for those passionately involved to dismiss me as just anti- that religion, which I'm not. The only thing I'm anti- are posters who consistently go over that line of knowing what is discussion and what is force-feeding inappropriately, and when the comments don't belong in a thread at all.

To me, the most logical and simplest corrective action, creating specific forums aside, is for the moderators to delete such posts within threads where they don't belong and/or when they cross the line into sermonizing the words of others rather than their own experiences - or in the case of political posts/threads, deleting personally abusive posts. I also like how sometimes the moderators will come into a thread with a gentle, polite "hey now, watch it!" reminder. To me, if people can't take the hint, their posts should be deleted.

But, again, I'm sure that the moderators are letting inappropriate posts remain due to instructions from higher up at QVC, based on perceived revenue and perceived customer base. Politics are a no because politics doesn't make them money.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Moonchilde — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 17:00:29 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@1jenniferjuniper wrote:
@Mona_L wrote:
Moony, @Moonchilde
Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?
Some people are so intolerant of others. If you don't like religious topics don't read them. Simple solution.
You're missing the point here ...... do you like it when people following some other religion preach at you? Probably not, because it's VERY annoying. No one is even suggesting cramping your style .... just take it elsewhere.

There are MANY religions in the world, and, worldwide, Christianity is a minority relgion .... only approximately 30% of the world population. That means 70% of the world population believes something else.

They didn't even care what the point was, Tink. They have just (both of them) started following me from thread to thread to snark just because. They do it so bizarrely inappropriately and so full of bait that it just makes me SMH and chuckle. Subtle, not 😉

As to the rest of your post - yup.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

KarenQVC — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 17:43:11 GMT

I would like to see a forum of disconut codes returned.

Re: Moderators - Suggest a Faith Forum

Kachina624 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 22:20:53 GMT

@1jenniferjuniper wrote:

@Mona_L wrote:
Moony, @Moonchilde
Are you requesting this so you are not offended when reading 'religious views' in other forums ... or are you going to participate?
Some people are so intolerant of others. If you don't like religious topics don't read them. Simple solution.

I don't consider this a solution at all, and certainly not simple. I should be able to go to "among friends" and open an innocent-sounding thread without being assailed by a sermon complete with scripture. There should be no question about the content of such threads before they're opened. Are "believers" the only board members allowed to be "among friends"? The "friends" are pretty much hostile to everyone else.