topic Re: Meat Substitue - Plants in Recipes

Meat Substitue - Plants

Annabellethecat66 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:20:43 GMT

So, I'm reading everywhere that some restaurants are selling a meat substitute that's made from plants.

I posted here on the forum about a show where a scientist has made something that looks and tastes like a hamburger.

He even gives it the red juice that comes from a medium rare cooked hamburger. Some people think it tastes like the real deal.

I'd be willing to taste it. I am a beef and some chicken lover....totally.

In fact in high school some of my friends used to tease me and call me 'Wimpy' (an old cartoon character who ate a lot of hamburgers).

But.....finally...here's my question..."Where is this country going to grow all of the plants needed for the substitutions?"

There are more and more medicines that are using plants. I used to take one that came from a plant.

The reason I asked the question is because everywhere, in every town, trees are being torn up so houses can be built.

If they're not building houses, they're putting in parking lots, etc.

In other words, we are supposedly growing less and less of our food in this country and having it shipped in from other countries.

I keep hearing where we are no longer dependent on oil from other countries. If you read the labels on your vegetables, fruits, etc., it will say it came from some other country.

I know one reason is because it's even cheaper to ship the food in rather than grow it here (how stupid is that). But also, what used to be farm land is continuously being rezoned from agriculture to residential

Am I the only person who thinks about this? People are so upset about how vulnerable we are in the cyber world. What about our vulnerability in the area of food, etc.?

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

Carmie — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:09:04 GMT

We will just import food from other countries like we do now. Many plants can be grown without dirt in a hothouse, so no problems.

I don't plan on eating these plant based burgers. They are way too processed and full of sodium and other things that are not healthy. I don't eat many burgers anyway and never fast food, so I won't miss anything.

I like my vegetables crisp and fresh and unprocessed, not squished, and cooked to mush. Vegetables are my favorite food group. They don't need to be turned into a substitute fake meat product.

i guess if we run out of food, Soylent Green wafers might become reality.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

sidsmom — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:27:10 GMT

It takes an exorbitant amount of resources to produce

meat products versus plants.

Meat substitutes?

Not a fan...but for those wanting to make the transition

and who are eating due to environmental & ethical reasons,

I salute them.

At this point, Plant Based is our future.

The sooner people get on board, the better.

It’s not a matter of IF but WHEN we have to.

We don’t “need” meat products/byproducts to survive.

Our protein requirements are very low (only 10% ofmtotal calories)

and all those requirements can be attained through plants.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

Mz iMac — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:24:39 GMT

In my neck of the woods it's not restaurants, it's all the Burger Kings: Impossible Whopper 0% beef, 100% heme.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

JCF — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 02:35:13 GMT

Annabellethecat: My husband has digestive issues and some meats don't agree with him.

A friend mentioned that she buys a brand called Beyond Meat (sold in our area at Publix and Kroger). It may be sold elsewhere, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I bought this for my husband and never told him it wasn't a ground beef, ground chuck or ground sirloin burger. When I asked him how he liked his burger he said; "it was good." I have never told him differently. If he has caught on, he hasn't mentioned it.

My main liking is chicken and some seafoods. I have never tried Beyond Meat.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

kitcat51 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 04:56:20 GMT

I live in a small town & the building here has gotten ridiculous...lots of 3 store mini malls going up but the ones they built 2 years ago are completely empty along with all the overbuilt drugstores. Subdivisions are being built on what use to be farmland & the new folks aren't happy with the nearby farms because the animals smell, plowing is dirty, farm equipment - animals make noise so the farmers feel harassed, they sell & the building rolls on. City people need to stay there & stop changing the country landscape...we need farmland & farm animals. I don't eat meat substitutes, I eat chicken & beef but have family members that don't so I respect their decision, they respect mine & they don't demand that others get on board with their choice...that's the way it should be.

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PamfromCT — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:49:04 GMT

Many years ago I read “Diet for a Small Planet” by Frances Moore Lappe. It opened my eyes to a different way of thinking. It takes an enormous amount of resources to raise cattle - the food they consume, the water they consume, not to mention the gases they emit into the atmosphere. Grains and water are precious resources in many parts of the world. Hence, substitutes for beef are part of the wave of the future, and products like “Beyond Meat” will certainly become more popular.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

violann — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:33:53 GMT

@JCF wrote:
Annabellethecat: My husband has digestive issues and some meats don't agree with him.

A friend mentioned that she buys a brand called Beyond Meat (sold in our area at Publix and Kroger). It may be sold elsewhere, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I bought this for my husband and never told him it wasn't a ground beef, ground chuck or ground sirloin burger. When I asked him how he liked his burger he said; "it was good." I have never told him differently. If he has caught on, he hasn't mentioned it.

My main liking is chicken and some seafoods. I have never tried Beyond Meat.

It’s sold in our local Weis (my new BEST FRIEND super market), and although I haven’t tried it yet, it’s on my list. I LOVE a good bowl of homemade chili, and I see this as a totally reasonable and acceptable alternative to ground beef.

If it tastes the way DH expects it to taste, he will eat it.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

cherry — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:47:17 GMT

I won't eat it, fake foods are not for me. If I were going to give up meat, which I won't, I don't see the point of eating fake meat?

This fake stuff never lives up to it's hype , as far as I am concerned. If I want meat, I want real meat

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CatBagLover — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:52:39 GMT

I don't eat meat. So I'm so happy meatless burgers are becoming more available. The Beyond Burger is sold at Whole Foods, too and is a delicious burger, pan fried.Plus - some Whole Foods have cafes and cook them there for you.

I also tried the Burker King Impossible burger and it tasted good. The grilling and adding of all the normal accompanients on the bun made it so realistic.

Nutrition-wise the Beyond burger is the healthier of the two (less GMO's). Anyways, I can't wait until meatless burgers become even more widespread.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

sidsmom — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:44:32 GMT

@cherry wrote:
I won't eat it, fake foods are not for me. If I were going to give up meat, which I won't, I don't see the point of eating fake meat?

This fake stuff never lives up to it's hype , as far as I am concerned. If I want meat, I want real meat

But it’s not ‘fake’ meat.

The meat substitutes are made with actual plants,

so it’s not ‘fake’...as in fake vs real.

It’s real...just Plants.

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cherry — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:28:23 GMT

IT is fake meat ,and real plants not the same thing at all

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sidsmom — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:56:54 GMT

Here are the ingredients for the Impossible Burger & Beyond Meat.

Clearly it’s a plant-based product.

Highly processed, but still plant-based.

In fact, the soy used to make the Impossible Burger is

the same soy used to feed the livestock in feedyards

for meat, dairy, eggs. Eating the soy directly just cuts out

the ‘middleman” (middle animal).

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momtochloe — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:32:29 GMT

@Annabellethecat66 thanks for starting this thread as I have seen Beyond Meat advertised a lot around here in the past month or so and would like to try it (if i can find it as it seems it's already sold out when I get there). I too could be nicknamed Whimpy as I could eat a burger every day but I would love to find a substitute like this.

Thanks to everyone for their input, very useful and helpful!

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

Sooner — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:39:37 GMT

@Carmie wrote:
We will just import food from other countries like we do now. Many plants can be grown without dirt in a hothouse, so no problems.

I don't plan on eating these plant based burgers. They are way too processed and full of sodium and other things that are not healthy. I don't eat many burgers anyway and never fast food, so I won't miss anything.

I like my vegetables crisp and fresh and unprocessed, not squished, and cooked to mush. Vegetables are my favorite food group. They don't need to be turned into a substitute fake meat product.

i guess if we run out of food, Soylent Green wafers might become reality.

@Carmie Do you have ANY idea how big the hothouses would have to be to grow any significant amount of food?

A 1,000 acre wheat farm is nothing now days. Little patches of food aren't economic to farm. You can't farm anywhere, you have to have certain soil characteristics and a water source.

It is a huge issue that nobody talks about and probably will have greater impact than any climate change issues--certainly in our lifetime.

And animals can live on land that you can't farm. Much grassland will raise animals but not crops, so they are also a big part of our future food source. I think smaller animals such as sheep and goats and poultry will play an even greater role because they are more efficient and because immigrant populations are more familiar with them.

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Carmie — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:00:02 GMT

@Sooner I don't have or know all of the answers.

i do know that pants grown in water are ready to harvest in about half the time as those grown in soil. Also, these plants can be grown without the usual pests and diseases ruining them, so the yield will be greater and faster.

There are many many countries who have the room and that would welcome the opportunity to grow food and up their economy and provider a fair income for their people.

i don't see people even giving up on animal protein. It will always have a place in the human diet. People adapt to what is available to them as do all animals.

Yes, animals can live where plants can't be grown, but most of the animals we consume require plant food themselves.

For now, I don't worry about it. We should all be concerned that we do not ruin our natural resorces. Earth has provided for us for millions of years and will continue to do so as long as we take care not to destroy it.

I am more concerned with plastics, than food. Almost everything we own is made with some sort of plastic and if not, it is sold with plastic packaging. This stuff lasts forever. Too bad we can't eat it.

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sidsmom — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:14:01 GMT

Unfortunately, animal production uses more of the Earth’s resources

than any plant production. And for the same amount of resources,

plants will feed more people.

Every day, work is being done to create different types of

crop varieties to grow in harsher conditions

(ex: Bill Gates Foundation).

It’s a discussion which really doesn’t have any merit.

It’s like someone saying the sun comes up in the West and

trying to explain no, it comes up in the East.

It’s a ‘doesn’t everyone know this?’ argument.

Even as a little girl, I knew the silos filled with grain would feed

more people than a pasture of livestock. I would think anyone

with a visual sense would just see...all that wheat/corn/potatoes/beans

would feed more than cattle. Stunning how folks can’t grasp this.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

Sooner — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:50:30 GMT

@Carmie wrote:
@Sooner I don't have or know all of the answers.

i do know that pants grown in water are ready to harvest in about half the time as those grown in soil. Also, these plants can be grown without the usual pests and diseases ruining them, so the yield will be greater and faster.

There are many many countries who have the room and that would welcome the opportunity to grow food and up their economy and provider a fair income for their people.

i don't see people even giving up on animal protein. It will always have a place in the human diet. People adapt to what is available to them as do all animals.

Yes, animals can live where plants can't be grown, but most of the animals we consume require plant food themselves.

For now, I don't worry about it. We should all be concerned that we do not ruin our natural resorces. Earth has provided for us for millions of years and will continue to do so as long as we take care not to destroy it.

I am more concerned with plastics, than food. Almost everything we own is made with some sort of plastic and if not, it is sold with plastic packaging. This stuff lasts forever. Too bad we can't eat it.

@Carmie Buy bar soap!

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

Sooner — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:54:53 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
Unfortunately, animal production uses more of the Earth’s resources
than any plant production. And for the same amount of resources,
plants will feed more people.

Every day, work is being done to create different types of
crop varieties to grow in harsher conditions
(ex: Bill Gates Foundation).

It’s a discussion which really doesn’t have any merit.
It’s like someone saying the sun comes up in the West and
trying to explain no, it comes up in the East.
It’s a ‘doesn’t everyone know this?’ argument.

Even as a little girl, I knew the silos filled with grain would feed
more people than a pasture of livestock. I would think anyone
with a visual sense would just see...all that wheat/corn/potatoes/beans
would feed more than cattle. Stunning how folks can’t grasp this.

@sidsmom Goats, sheep, chickens and other animals live on land that cannot be farmed for crops, and like pigs happily eat table scraps. That's why you see them in many parts of the world instead of large heards of cattle.

The US is fortunate to have the resources to raise cattle, and we will for a long time. Should that become non-economical, they'll switch to the smaller animals that can eat about anything. Like so many places have now.

Animals have been a mainstay for people for food, clothing, cooking fuel, horn spoons and other things for centuries before farming came into common practice.

So no, there is no real logical argument to be made about animals as a food source. Myself, I'd welcome more lamb, goat and duck in the market place. I like all of them.

Re: Meat Substitue - Plants

Gracies Mom — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:06:00 GMT

sidsmom....

I am so glad you posted the ingrediants of the meatless (made with plants) burger.....I see that Burger King is now serving their burgers made "with plants"...but they never say WHICH plants, which is very important to some people.

You see, I am not allowed to eat anything with SOY....I have uterine cancer that has spread----my cancer is fueled by estrogen...and SOY has estrogen-like properties--all of my cancer doctors advised me NEVER to eat anything made of soy as it will fuel my cancer and it will spread more. I know that a bit of soy is in almost all processed foods, so it's hard to avoid--but I never have soy milk or tofu or edamame--or any food or drink that has mostly soy in it. That goes for most foods that vegans eat. Also, anyone with estrogen fueled breast cancer should never have soy--my Mom had breast cancer many many years ago and her oncologist advised her not to have soy (he told me I'd be better off not having soy--and that was years before I got cancer).

Please--anyone with estrogen fueled cancer---ask your oncologist if you should avoid soy!!!!!!

God bless!!